[Leica] still more on Leica "rumor" and NYT

[drodgers at casefarms.com (David Rodgers)]

B.D.

C'mon B.D. Just because someone isn't a reporter, or an expert in
journalistic standards (which BTW are not codified), and may not have
written published articles, it doesn't mean they aren't entitled to
point out that there are things a major new organization could have and
should have done to get a story of national interest right?

Whether or not Craig meets the above criteria, I don't' know. But I
think he made some good points. I don't buy that "everyone else got it
wrong because..<insert reason>...and therefore it's understandable that
so did the NYT." 

To me that lowers the NYT to a follower not a leader. Who then should we
look to for setting the higher standards in journalism? 

DaveR

-----Original Message-----
From: B. D. Colen [mailto:bdcolen@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:10 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] still more on Leica "rumor" and NYT

And you were a reporter where? And are an expert in reporting and
journalistic standards based on what? And have written precisely how
many
stories on deadline? Just wondering.


On 1/4/06 1:54 PM, "mcyclwritr@comcast.net" <mcyclwritr@comcast.net>
wrote:

> This exactly the sort of NYT apologist retort I anticipated. That's
why my
> original post included a whiff of Basic Reporting 101, which,
predictably, is
> missing from your reply.
> 
> How do you know what the "mining company told family members and
others?" Was
> it broadcast on TV? Did you see actual, talking-head footage? Did that
talking
> head say to the effect of "It has been confirmed that rescuers have
reached 12
> surviving miners?" If so, I defer to you. I didn't see it. Further,
who is a
> "mining company?" How can a company speak? It speaks through a
spokesman. Who
> is that person? What, exactly, did he say? Report it, wrapped it in
quotation
> marks.  
> 
> And that's just part of why this particular misreporting debacle is so
> embarrassing. Nobody from the wire service or any other reporting
agency took
> the time CONFIRM a damn thing. Not one damn thing. See the difference?
> Spreading rumors and miscommunication versus factual, substantiated
reporting.
> 
> Don't settle for sloppy reporting. Demand facts. Get information from
numerous
> sources, whether you're the reporter or the reader.
> 
> -Chris Lawson
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Matt Powell <wooderson@gmail.com>
>> On 1/4/06, mcyclwritr@comcast.net <mcyclwritr@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Not to klck the Gray Lady while she's down, but I heard that today's
NYT
>>> front 
>> page >trumpeted 12 survivors from the West Virginia mine tragedy. Can
you say
>> "scoop >hungry?" "Unsubstantiated?" "Reckless?"
>> 
>> That's what the mining company told family members and others
>> gathered. Hardly the reporter's fault that he passed along what was
>> being stated on the scene.
>> 
>> --
>> MP
>> wooderson@gmail.com
> 
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