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Subject: [Leica] Salgado' s work
From: cartersn at nsula.edu (Sonny Carter)
Date: Tue Dec 6 10:34:48 2005

 
Maybe you need to take a look at a copy of the AP stylebook.  I think
you might like what you see.  It is more like an almanac that an
operations guide.  It has temperature conversion tables, all kinds of
definitions.   I can't imagine where you are getting this notion that
the AP is some controller of the news, and that they do it by forcing
Journalists to knuckle under.  

It costs about $10.75 in a college bookstore, and is as little more
expensive at regular bookstores.

Sonny Carter
http://www.sonc.com
Digital Imaging Specialist
Cammie G. Henry Research Center
Northwestern State University of Louisiana
Natchitoches, LA




-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+cartersn=nsula.edu@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+cartersn=nsula.edu@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Slobodan Dimitrov
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:58 AM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Salgado' s work

Well, why don't you answer that question then. Obviously you have an
answer for it.
I think that any conflict of interest raises questions. Sometimes
legitimately, while at other times it tends to over reach.
The best guide for a discussion is in the very term, the free press as
it's associated with freedom of speech. Initially, freedom of speech was
only applied to publications that were not defined as 'advertisers'. The
framers correctly inferred that by having a published work depend on the
revenues of the advertisers would jeopardize its ability to speak
freely. If there was a capability of using financial support as a threat
for editorial content guidance, then it circumscribed that freedom by
its very possibility.
Traditionally, the business community used foundations as a method of
creating distance for the sake of propriety and appearances. That has
recently eroded to a virtually non-existent line. A case in point is
NPR. At one time, one could see in the past a different approach with
its underwriting. The term 'underwriting' alone speaks volumes. I think
now we can see a radical departure from those practices that were once
attuned to the public's concerns over its prerogatives, i.e. an
uninhibited environment where speech can direct itself wherever the
public mood sees it fit to go, without hindrance.
Another area of business support has been in the academic area. In the
past it has been somewhat benignly applied. However, there has been
concerns of late, where a department's endowment of chairs and the like
are making them vulnerable to issues surrounding intellectual property
rights. Apparently even an instructor's class notes, by which they
lecture their classes, and often times are used for publication, can be
encumbered as a property of the donating entity.
As we well know, the slippery slope doesn't fall toward the morally
grounded side, it tends to fall in the direction of  utilitarian
concerns and the fiscally expedient.



Slobodan Dimitrov
Studio G-8,
Angels Gate Cultural Center
http://sdimitrovphoto.com





On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:24 AM, B. D. Colen wrote:

> Why is it any better to have one university 'control' all of academic 
> style than it is to have the AP control newspaper style - if you want 
> to call it control? And as Sonny quite correctly pointed out, the AP 
> is a cooperative made up of all its member newspapers, so it's really 
> a case of most newspapers agreeing on matters of style.
>
>
> On 12/6/05 10:54 AM, "Slobodan Dimitrov" <s.dimitrov@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Ys, but there is something less onerous about a university's 
>> involvement.
>>
>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>> Studio G-8,
>> Angels Gate Cultural Center
>> http://sdimitrovphoto.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2005, at 7:23 AM, B. D. Colen wrote:
>>
>>> But what's your point? Try getting a masters or Ph.D without using 
>>> the Chicago Manual of Style...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/5/05 4:36 PM, "Slobodan Dimitrov" <s.dimitrov@charter.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I gladly stand corrected. However, try graduating with a degree in 
>>>> print journalism without following AP's published guidelines.
>>>>
>>>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>>> Studio G-8,
>>>> Angels Gate Cultural Center
>>>> http://sdimitrovphoto.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 5, 2005, at 1:23 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> AP is a cooperative, not a corporation. TV Stations, radio 
>>>>> stations or newspapers are members of AP and pay fees to use 
>>>>> stuff, and are paid fees when they supply news pieces.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sonny Carter
>>>>> http://www.sonc.com,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Digital Imaging Specialist
>>>>> Cammie G. Henry Research Center
>>>>> Northwestern State University of Louisiana Natchitoches, LA
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: lug-bounces+cartersn=nsula.edu@leica-users.org
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+cartersn=nsula.edu@leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>>>>> Of B.
>>>>> D. Colen
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:16 PM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Salgado' s work
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely not, the whore agreed.;-) However...not textbooks, 
>>>>> Slobodan, just a manual of style. And given that it's used by most

>>>>> newspapers, because they belong to the AP and use its copy, and is

>>>>> used by many other publications as well, it makes sense to use it 
>>>>> in J schools.
>>>>> Hardly corporate control though, in the sense that you're 
>>>>> implying.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/5/05 1:41 PM, "Slobodan Dimitrov" <s.dimitrov@charter.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, there's nothing wrong with a journalist being on the take.
>>>>>> Oops,
>>>>>> I meant to say...in participating with a product manufacture's 
>>>>>> informational campaign.
>>>>>> After all, don't they have to pass college courses in journalism 
>>>>>> by using textbooks and guidelines printed by a corporation called

>>>>>> AP.
>>>>>> So, why stop at graduation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>>>>> Studio G-8,
>>>>>> Angels Gate Cultural Center
>>>>>> http://sdimitrovphoto.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2005, at 8:04 AM, Ted Grant wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slobodan Dimitrov offered:
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Salgado' s work
>>>>>>>>>> Funny how that works.
>>>>>>>> When a photographer thinks a project is important enough, they 
>>>>>>>> go a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> up a format, and down a technology.<<
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd almost put money on the table he's received financial 
>>>>>>> support of some kind to use other than the Leica.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ted
>>>>>>> Ted Grant Photography Limited
>>>>>>> 1817 Feltham Road
>>>>>>> Victoria BC  V8N 2A4
>>>>>>> 250-477-2156
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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