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Subject: [Leica] Now RAW vs JPEG
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (Ted Grant)
Date: Sun May 22 19:21:12 2005
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Tina and Jonathan

WOW!!!!!!!!! :-)

Now I gotta tell you, you folks are beginning to scare the daylights out of 
me with all this stuff!! Heck I may just have to keep all my film cameras 
after all and return to Mother Nature film! ;-)

Well I hadn't really left it, as it's part of me and breathing! :-) So I 
still always have a film camera in the bag and rolls of film. I mean if I 
didn't I'd surely be struck down by a mighty sword of wrath from the Great 
Film Father in the sky! ;-)

It sure is beginning to look like film was much easier, at least I knew what 
the heck I was doing. OK, OK most of the time. ;-)

But all this stuff is near scaring me off because it works like this:

"Tell me and I will forget.
Show me and I may remember.
Involve me and I will understand!"

But I have to add... "Confuse me and I'm dead in the water!" :-(

ted




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Borden" <jonathan@openhealth.org>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Now RAW vs JPEG


> Tina Manley wrote:
>
>> At 05:30 PM 5/22/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The workflow is this:
>>>
>>> RAW -> lossless conversion -> TIFF
>>>
>>> -- the key here is the *lossless conversion* step.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>
>> But in order to store the image as a tiff, you are converting it.   You 
>> lose the ability to change anything in the conversion process.
>
> Nope.
>
>> Raw contains all of the information available.
>
> So can TIFF.
>
>> Converting to tiff you are making choices about white balance,  exposure, 
>> contrast, sharpening, and many, many more.
>
> Those can be done via an embedded ICC profile.
>
> There is absolutely nothing to prevent you from storing the RAW bits  in a 
> TIFF.
>
>> Those can't be changed once you convert to tiff.
>
> Sure they can, see above.
>
>> With raw you have the ability to change those every time you convert.
>
> With TIFF you retain the ability to do all that in Photoshop.
>
>> Raw images also take up much less space than tiffs.
>
> You can always ZIP compress TIFFs.
>
>> Why wouldn't you save raws?
>
> How about what happens in 5-10 years? Are you sure that these RAW  formats 
> will be retained?
>
> TIFF software is much much much more likely to be around. It is a 
> standard format.
>
> Jonathan
>
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