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Subject: [Leica] M6 TTL Flash troubles - I need help
From: luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll)
Date: Wed May 11 13:36:08 2005

Hi Frank,

Thank you very much for your comments, yes the SF20 is too much electronic,
I'm used to be with systems more manual.

Here are my answers:

What makes you say the output was off by 2/3 of a stop?  Over or under
exposed, compared to what? .... I've not yet tried this adjustment.
Did you set the flash to TTL?....  YES
Were you shooting Chromes, B+W , or Color Negs?  What kind of film?  What
film type? ...  WITH FLASH I USE NORMALLY COLOR NEG., BUT I'M PROJECTING
EXPERIMENT WITH B+W, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS HAS ANY INFLUENCE?
Old faithful type of film or something you are trying for the first time?
.... I'M USING ACTUAL FILM
Can you please tell us what the settings are on the flash? ..... THE FLASH
IS ON THE TTL MODE AND AT F. 5,6
How did you set the ISO?  Are you sure that the film is THAT ISO?.... YES,
IT WAS 100ASA, AND I'M ABSOLUTELY SURE ABOUT THE SETING AND THE FILM.
Did you set the F-Stop manually? .....  YES, USING THE +/-
Did you set the camera for 1/50 of a second? ..... WITH FLASH I ALWAYS SET
THE CAMERA AT 1/50
Is your lens set for that F-Stop? ....... YES, ABSOLUTELY SURE
Are you using any filters ( even a UV one?)..... YES, I HAVE ALWAYS A UV
FILTER ON ALL MY LENSES, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS CAN HAVE INFLUENCE?
Did you remove the diffuser screen from the flash?..... YES, ALWAYS
Did you put in fresh batteries?..... YES ABSOLUTELY FRESH BATTERIES, ON THIS
OCCASION PURCHASED THE SAME DAY

Second, take out the batteries, put them back in, and set up the flash
again......  I think this zeros all the possible setting variations and gets
you back to factory settings.... a "null position" if you will.....

I'LL TRY THIS LAST POINT WHEN I HAVE THE TIME TO DO EXPERIMENTS, BUT IMO I
THINK THAT ALL THE SETINGS ARE CORRECT. WITH MY OLD FLASH, SHOOTING IN "A"
POSITION I WAS SHOOTING NORMALLY AT 5,6 WITHOUT PROBLEMS, IF I WAS VERY
CLOSE AT F.11. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE ADVANTAGES WITH TTL AND SF20, I SEE
THAT THIS SEEMS NOT AN IMPROVEMENT.

Thank you very much again Frank, I'll inform you and the LUG the results of
the new experiments.

Saludos desde Barcelona
Luis

-----Mensaje original-----
De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org]En nombre de
Frank Filippone
Enviado el: miercoles, 11 de mayo de 2005 4:47
Para: Leica Users Group
Asunto: RE: [Leica] M6 TTL Flash troubles - I need help

I also have the SF20 and a M6TTL.  I get good results.  But the little flash
can be confusing to operate ( too many knobs!).  Let's go after basics
before any conclusions are jumped to.....

What makes you say the output was off by 2/3 of a stop?  Over or under
exposed, compared to what?
Did you set the flash to TTL?
Were you shooting Chromes, B+W , or Color Negs?  What kind of film?  What
film type?
Old faithful type of film or something you are trying for the first time?
Can you please tell us what the settings are on the flash?
How did you set the ISO?  Are you sure that the film is THAT ISO?
Did you set the F-Stop manually?
Did you set the camera for 1/50 of a second?
Is your lens set for that F-Stop?
Are you using any filters ( even a UV one?)
Did you remove the diffuser screen from the flash?
Did you put in fresh batteries?


Second, take out the batteries, put them back in, and set up the flash
again......  I think this zeros all the possible setting variations and gets
you back to factory settings.... a "null position" if you will.....

Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net


Since I have a M6 TTL with Leica flash S20, my flash pictures are worst than
the older with a traditional M6 and flash.

I don't know what is wrong in my technique, normally my pictures are
overexposed, I can't understand. Usually I take pictures at more or less 3
meters, at this distance with a 100 ASA film, I put on the flash and on the
lens the stop 5,6 and I obtain bad results, overexposed faces (too white).
The quality is improved if I use f.8 both on lens and flash.

But I ask me why arrives this problem? I thought that a TTL system was just
designed to improve such problems, but I realize that my ancient and
traditional system works better, and I think I'll be back to the past
forgetting the modern TTL systems, for me "manual is better".

Has somebody any answer?, or maybe either my camera or flash don't work
properly?

Thanks in advance for the help and comments

Saludos desde Barcelona
Luis



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