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Subject: [Leica] (was Coenen) now: buying Leica new vs. used
From: robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Mon Apr 25 20:40:19 2005
References: <BE92A7FA.1405E%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Mark,

I made that comparison, Hassy vs. P67, about ten years ago, rather 
extensively.   I shot them side-by-side with several different lenses, and 
made 20x24 prints.   The Hasselblad prints were sharper with one 
exception -- the Pentax 165/2.8 lens I had was a beauty and beat the 150 
Sonnar on the H.   But the H's 250 and 80 were sharper than the Pentax 200 
and 105 I had, and the H 50 was about the same as the Pentax 45.   The 
Pentax 45 is wider, of course, and really is a very fine lens.

In spite of all that, I use the Pentax 67 II because of the incredibly good 
metering built in to its TTL prism.   It has spot, averaging, and matrix 
metering, on auto or manual, with the electronically controlled shutter that 
is extremely accurate.   It also is wonderful for long exposures on auto 
exposure, giving up to 32 seconds, or so (I'm not sure what the longest 
exposure it will give is).

Bob

>>>>
>>>> --brad
>>>>
>>> Yes Pentax 67s on a tripod and a cable release shooting Antarctic
>>> landscapes. A break from his usual work to put it mildly.
>>
>> Great camera, but 'quiet' and 'subtle' it isn't...a shutter the size of
>> a credit card and an even larger mirror.
>>
>>
> But if you get one with a mirror lock up its pretty usable.
> Although Luminous Landscape head honcho and Leica nut Michael Reichmann 
> says
> the SHUTTER itself is a big problem.
> Mirror aside. Or locked up.
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/pentax67ii.shtml
>
> But with no mirror lock up it's a paper weight landscape wise
>
> And the most bang for the buck of any optics system ever.
> Just about any lens cost a couple hundred bucks.
>
> Still if you put two 24x30 inch prints side by side one with the Pentax 
> 6x7
> and cheap but "sharp" monster Takumar and one with a Hasselblad square
> format Zeiss optics..
> And cropped the same so they look the same
> That means the Hassy shot is cropped so it might just as well have been 
> 645.
> And you'd shot slow film. Or medium speed.
>
> I bet the Hassy shot would look better. Even at its slightly higher
> magnification.
>
> Lets see. With the 6x7 a 24x30 would be a 10.5 magnification.
> With the Hasselblad it would be about a 13.5 magnification.
> Not much of a difference mag. wise.
> I say the Hassy would win.
> And sure does on a lot of other accounts, design wise unless you're hand
> holding and wed to the 35mm configuration.
>
> Any way they are giving away Hassy glass free, one lens per customer at 
> any
> camera store with any purchase over 25 dollars.
> The prices are getting competitive with the Pentax. When priced new at
> least.
>
> Mark Rabiner
> Photography
> Portland Oregon
> http://rabinergroup.com/
>
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