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Subject: [Leica] Thoughts on the new Zeiss lenses
From: scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin)
Date: Fri Apr 15 13:02:53 2005
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Re: the Zeiss 85, I don't know about pro portrait photogs. I'd think a
medium format lens in an equiv FL more likely (mamiya, 'blad), or in
35mm  a Nikkor 85/1.4 or Cannon 85/1.2 more likely choices.

Me'thinks it's intended for the smaller enthusiast/fondler/collector
market.

I continue to wonder - Japanese worker pay scales are comparable
to German pay scales. So why are all the lenses made in Germany
*so* much more than  pricey than premo Japanese lenses, incl.
CV lenses.

Scott

Bill Marshall wrote:

> Well said, Scott. I'll suggest a couple of things to look for in these 
> reviews once they come out:
>
> 1. How do the 50/2 Planar & 35/2 Biogon actually perform at f/2? MTF 
> data indicate that these two lenses are as good or better at maximum 
> aperture as the comparable Summicrons. Leica lenses excel in their 
> performance wide open & it will be interesting to see in real world 
> photographs if Zeiss lenses can do the same.
>
> 2. How do the 21, 25, & 28 Biogons perform up close? Zeiss claims that 
> these lenses can be focused to 0.5 meters, like the Contax G lenses. 
> It was one thing to do this with the unique focusing system on the 
> Contax G, but can sufficient parallax correction be obtained on the ZI 
> body to obtain accurate framing? No other RF bodies are RF coupled 
> this close, so we'll have to wait until the summer for such reviews 
> when the ZI is available.
>
> Regarding the 85, it's not for me either at that price. All of the 
> modern lenses which Don suggests as an alternative are at least a stop 
> slower. The fact is that Leica is the only RF portrait lens available 
> at this speed. And with the new round of price increases announced by 
> Leica, the 90 Summicron shoud be over $2600 by July 1, so it will be 
> in the same price neighborhood as the 85 Sonnar. I have to think that 
> this is a speicalized tool, designed for those who think that the 
> investment will be worth the returns for them - perhaps professional 
> portrait photographers? Zeiss must think that it is something special 
> or why else would they offer it? Their other offerings can be 
> justified as a price alternative to Leica & the 15 Distagon is unique, 
> but this lens will go head-to-head with Leica at a slightly higher 
> cost. As Don suggests, there are other alternatives & Rollei offers a 
> nice Zeiss design in an 80/2.8 Planar at less than half the price for 
> the Zeissaphiles.
>
> Bill
>
>> Scott McLaughlin wrote:
>
>
>> I don't know. There aren't a whole lot of well written, in depth 
>> reviews handy around on the web. As these emerge, the Zeiss lenses 
>> may well be attractive alternatives (look, price, or quality 
>> depending on the lens) to the current Leica and CV offerings.
>
>
> We'll see.
>
> Yes, I don't get the 85. Maybe the exotic wides can carry a premium, 
> but to me, it's just too darned pricey for a short tele.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
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