Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/02/10
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mark Rabiner wrote: > My local Leica Vietnamese friends told me that Vietnamese people > follow the Chinese calendar. > > Strange as they are millenniums long enemies! > > But how can you hold a war if the armies show up at the wrong dates! Interesting that you should bring up this enmity and the calendar. First, your Vietnamese friends, though Leica and local, do not know their calendars, as most Vietnamese and Chinese. Ask any of them how they can tell the New Year of every year and watch them draw a blank stare. You can surpise them by telling them then that it is the 2nd new moon after the winter solstice (not true for all years). Even if they knew that the coup de grace will certainly one these next questions: How do you tell which year is a leap year ? In a leap year, how can you tell which month is a leap month ? Or even more common, how do you tell which month has 29 days and which has 30 days ? I know quite a few Vietnamese :-) and Chinsese and I know exactly one besides me who can answer those questions without looking up a calendar. About the Chinese/Vietnamese enmity and the calendar: In pre-modern days, only the Emperor can decree the calendar; and publishing or even using any other calendar is high treason, and punishable with death. It is at least as serious as using currency not issued by the imperial court. The Vietnamese, always mindful of their independence, always insis on using their own calendars, though clearly it is derived from the Chinese. (I will get hate mail from Vietnamese ultra nationalists for this), except when under direct Chinese occupation. There is a line in the Vietnamese imperial history of the Vietnamese king who accepted Chinese rule, and even in the very terse prose of the time, where every word of every line is carefully weighed before put down on paper, it was written that "he accepted the calendar from the Chinese emperor". While the Vietnamese calendar was derived from the Chinese, the rules were not always the same, as they were refined at different times throughout the centuries. Even if they use the same rules, the resulting calendars may not/are not the same. This is possible because of 2 reasons: - The determination of key astronomical events: which day is the new moon, which day is the solstice. These are not so easliy answered when science is not so advanced, especially when planetary conjunctions occur need midnight. - The geographical point of reference, specicifally the longitude. Because of the resulting difference in local time, a solstice may occur a day ealier or later, causing a potential shift of 1 month in the New Year. This in fact, happened in 1985, when the Chinese and Vietnamese New Year differ by one month. Even the Chinese do not use the same calendars; at different times in Chinese history, the different emperors in the divided country use different calendars. Even today, Taiwan through Academia Sinica, insists that they are the legitimate issuer of the calendar, though I have not done much research with that calendar to see how different; I am certain though that some dates will differ with the Mainland China one. Calendar as a symbol of political power is certainly not unique with the Vietnamese and Chinese. England (hence pre-revolution US) which did not recognize Papal authority rejected the Gregorian calendar reform of 1582, and continued to use their own calendar until 1752. Similarly with the Protestant countries of Europe (the Protestant German countries). Csarist Russia never made the change, and even though the former USSR switched to the Gregorian calendar after the revolution of 1917. In fact, the Chinese/Vietnamese calendar differences remind me a lot of the difference in the determination of Easter in the various Christian traditions. (By the way, very few Christians know how to determine the exact date of Easter, which also relies on an astronomical event, the spring equinox). Speaking of Tet and armies and calendars, there are two famous ones in Vietnamese history. - 1789, Nguyen Hue defeated the invading Chinese in a battle on the New Year. He had his troops celebrate Tet 5 days earlier, and surprised the Chinese. The Chinese considered this as a sneak attack, the Vietnames consider this a masterful use of imperial power to change the calendar. :-) [Technically this is not possible, as he did not become emperor shortly after. Perhaps he declared himself emperor before ?] - the Tet offsensive in 1968 by the Viet Cong, very well known among Americans of that generation. What is very little known is that the summer before, the authorities in North Viet Nam had decreed a change in the calendar thus making Tet occur one day earlier than in the South. Hence the North Vietnamese troops could celebrate Tet before they go to war. And yes, North and South Vietnam had different calendars, (which agree most of the time). Had the CIA know more about Vietnamese calendars, they might have made more sense of that trivial change. So Mark, tell your Vietnamese friends that they should buy their calendar from the correct source, or else they may find themselves celebrating on the wrong day, as many Vietnamese did, who bought their calendars published in Hong Kong. So, that's my Tet story for my LUG friends Cheers, - Phong Note that when I refer to the Vietnamese and Chinese, when writing about calendars, I always refer to the Chinese first, as a recognition that our calendar was derived from them. Unless I have such a specific reason, I mean to always refer to Vietnamese first. :-) ========== Chinese/Vietnamese calendrical rules ================= Here are the calendrical rules for the Chinese/Vietnamese calendar: 1. All calculations and observations are based on the meridian 120 degree East (115 degree East for Vietnam) 2. The day starts at midnight (it used to start at the beginning of the first hour, the hour of the rat, which starts at 11:00pm) 3. The day on which occur the new moon is the first day of the month 4. The winter solstice (dong zhi jie qi) must fall in the 11th month of the year 5. If there are 13 lunar months between 2 winter solstices, one of them must necessarily not have a zhongqi**; that month is the leap month in the corresponding year (hence a leap year has 13 lunar months). ** The solar year is divided into 24 jieqi, each corresponding to positions of the Earth along its orbit, each 15 degree apart. The length of each jieqi varies from 14 to 16 days, varying with the speed of Earth along its orbit. Every other jieqi is a zhongqi; the winter solstice is a zhongqi.