Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/02/10
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I know it's now the "Year of The Rooster", but I can't seem to stop writing "Year of the Monkey" on my checks! ;-) Phong wrote: > Mark Rabiner wrote: > >>My local Leica Vietnamese friends told me that Vietnamese people >>follow the Chinese calendar. >> >>Strange as they are millenniums long enemies! >> >>But how can you hold a war if the armies show up at the wrong dates! > > > Interesting that you should bring up this enmity and the calendar. > > First, your Vietnamese friends, though Leica and local, do not know their > calendars, as most Vietnamese and Chinese. Ask any of them how > they can tell the New Year of every year and watch them draw a blank > stare. You can surpise them by telling them then that it is the 2nd new > moon after the winter solstice (not true for all years). Even if they > knew > that > the coup de grace will certainly one these next questions: > How do you tell which year is a leap year ? > In a leap year, how can you tell which month is a leap month ? > Or even more common, how do you tell which month has 29 days > and which has 30 days ? > > I know quite a few Vietnamese :-) and Chinsese and I know exactly one > besides me who can answer those questions without looking up a calendar. > > About the Chinese/Vietnamese enmity and the calendar: > In pre-modern days, only the Emperor can decree the calendar; > and publishing or even using any other calendar is high treason, > and punishable with death. It is at least as serious as using currency > not issued by the imperial court. > > The Vietnamese, always mindful of their independence, always > insis on using their own calendars, though clearly it is derived from > the Chinese. (I will get hate mail from Vietnamese ultra nationalists > for this), except when under direct Chinese occupation. There is > a line in the Vietnamese imperial history of the Vietnamese king who > accepted Chinese rule, and even in the very terse prose of the time, > where every word of every line is carefully weighed before put down > on paper, it was written that "he accepted the calendar from the Chinese > emperor". > > While the Vietnamese calendar was derived from the Chinese, the rules > were not always the same, as they were refined at different times > throughout > the centuries. Even if they use the same rules, the resulting calendars > may > not/are not the same. This is possible because of 2 reasons: > - The determination of key astronomical events: which day is the new > moon, > which day is the solstice. These are not so easliy answered when > science > is not so advanced, especially when planetary conjunctions occur need > midnight. > - The geographical point of reference, specicifally the longitude. > Because > of the resulting difference in local time, a solstice may occur a day > ealier > or later, causing a potential shift of 1 month in the New Year. This > in > fact, happened in 1985, when the Chinese and Vietnamese New Year > differ by one month. > > > Even the Chinese do not use the same calendars; at different > times in Chinese history, the different emperors in the divided country > use > different calendars. Even today, Taiwan through Academia Sinica, insists > that they are the legitimate issuer of the calendar, though I have not done > much research with that calendar to see how different; I am certain though > that some dates will differ with the Mainland China one. > > Calendar as a symbol of political power is certainly not unique with > the Vietnamese and Chinese. England (hence pre-revolution US) > which did not recognize Papal authority rejected the Gregorian calendar > reform of 1582, and continued to use their own calendar until 1752. > Similarly with the Protestant countries of Europe (the Protestant German > countries). Csarist Russia never made the change, and even though > the former USSR switched to the Gregorian calendar after the revolution > of 1917. > > In fact, the Chinese/Vietnamese calendar differences remind me a lot > of the difference in the determination of Easter in the various Christian > traditions. (By the way, very few Christians know how to determine > the exact date of Easter, which also relies on an astronomical event, > the spring equinox). > > Speaking of Tet and armies and calendars, there are two famous ones > in Vietnamese history. > - 1789, Nguyen Hue defeated the invading Chinese in a battle on > the New Year. He had his troops celebrate Tet 5 days earlier, > and surprised the Chinese. The Chinese considered this as > a sneak attack, the Vietnames consider this a masterful use of > imperial power to change the calendar. :-) [Technically this is > not possible, as he did not become emperor shortly after. Perhaps > he declared himself emperor before ?] > - the Tet offsensive in 1968 by the Viet Cong, very well known among > Americans of that generation. What is very little known is that the > summer before, the authorities in North Viet Nam had decreed a > change in the calendar thus making Tet occur one day earlier than in > the South. Hence the North Vietnamese troops could celebrate Tet > before they go to war. And yes, North and South Vietnam had different > calendars, (which agree most of the time). Had the CIA know more > about Vietnamese calendars, they might have made more sense of > that trivial change. > > So Mark, tell your Vietnamese friends that they should buy their > calendar from the correct source, or else they may find themselves > celebrating on the wrong day, as many Vietnamese did, who bought > their calendars published in Hong Kong. > > So, that's my Tet story for my LUG friends > > Cheers, > > - Phong > > > Note that when I refer to the Vietnamese and Chinese, when writing > about calendars, I always refer to the Chinese first, as a recognition > that our calendar was derived from them. Unless I have such a specific > reason, I mean to always refer to Vietnamese first. :-) > > > ========== Chinese/Vietnamese calendrical rules ================= > Here are the calendrical rules for the Chinese/Vietnamese calendar: > 1. All calculations and observations are based on the meridian > 120 degree East (115 degree East for Vietnam) > 2. The day starts at midnight (it used to start at the beginning of the > first hour, the hour of the rat, which starts at 11:00pm) > 3. The day on which occur the new moon is the first day of the month > 4. The winter solstice (dong zhi jie qi) must fall in the 11th month of > the > year > 5. If there are 13 lunar months between 2 winter solstices, one of them > must > necessarily not have a zhongqi**; that month is the leap month in > the > corresponding year (hence a leap year has 13 lunar months). > > ** The solar year is divided into 24 jieqi, each corresponding to positions > of the Earth along its orbit, each 15 degree apart. The length of each > jieqi varies from 14 to 16 days, varying with the speed of Earth along its > orbit. > Every other jieqi is a zhongqi; the winter solstice is a zhongqi. >