Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/09/24

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Subject: Digital M/Digital Rebel was Re: [Leica] Lost Faith in Leica
From: locke at (Greg Locke)
Date: Fri Sep 24 05:18:07 2004

I concur with Nathan. And have the same experience with Nikon DSLR.

17-35 f2.8  and an 18-35 f3.5 side by side on the same camera (D100) under
the same studio lights produce different pictures. Done it, proved it. It is
noticable on the monitor and coming out of the printer.

A good lens is better than a bad lens, even with a lame CCD or CMOS chip.

The TV video shooters have known this for a long time. They talk about their
Fujinon, Schneider and Canon lens the same way we do but they have been
doing for much longer in regard to digital tech. They went through the same
thing with the switch from film to video for TV news gathering.

I do this day in and day out, under any and all conditions.
Good lens make better pictures in any format.

All other photographic values being equal, the failure of image quality of
digital is in the chip and the A/D conversion process and this is what we as
photographers have to overcome... So we need to improve what we can (lenses
and lighting) and hope the boys in engineering get the rest right
...sometime ...and the marketing suits actually listen to what people want.

Greg Locke
St. John's, Newfoundland
Independent journalism from
Newfoundland & Labrador

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 
> [] On 
> Behalf Of Nathan Wajsman
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:49 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: Digital M/Digital Rebel was Re: [Leica] Lost 
> Faith in Leica
> Peter Klein wrote:
> > Jim:  I have no examples.  It just follows logically.  On 
> humble Web 
> > Jpegs, I can see drastic differences, wide-open or nearly 
> so, between 
> > the
> > 35 'Lux asph and its predecessor, or even the pre-asph 35/2 
> Summicron 
> > wide-open.  Even the humble 3 megapixel 1/1.8 sensor on my Nikon 
> > Coolpix 990 can resolve greater detail than can be shown on a Web 
> > jpeg, so I'm certain a 6mp DSLR can show it, too.  Ergo. . .
> > 
> > Also note that Nathan (and others) have noted that they can see the 
> > difference on Canon DSLR shots between their Leica R lenses and the 
> > Canon or Sigma lenses.
> > 
> Peter is right. The difference is clear. I don't care what 
> the science says, I don't know about what kind of 
> anti-aliasing filter or whatever my Canon 10D has. But I do 
> know that when I put the 100mm Apo Macro on it I get better 
> pictures than I do with the Canon 85mm lens (which is no 
> slouch either), and when I put my newly aquired Canon 17-40mm 
> L zoom on it, the pictures are much better than those I got 
> with the (now sold) Sigma 17-35mm. All this talk about how 
> with digital sensors lens quality does not matter is bunk, 
> based on my experience.
> Nathan
> -- 
> Nathan Wajsman
> Almere, The Netherlands
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