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Subject: [Leica] WAS: Black and White C41 Film now.... SCRATCHES!
From: abridge at (Adam Bridge)
Date: Wed Sep 22 13:01:33 2004
References: <> <000101c4a04e$5eeb51f0$6401a8c0@dorysrusp4> <> <001f01c4a0ac$237f7070$87d86c18@ted>

Thanks for your interest, Ted.

The problem happens with all film that I process - so I think it's
something I'm doing. Bear in mind that these only show up on scans,
not on darkroom/enlarger prints.

It happens on ALL film to a greater or lesser degree. I have reduced
the problem a lot by pulling the film over the soft rubber blade of a
squeegee very SLOWLY. That seems to have reduced the problem.

When I process film I open the cassette with a bottle opener and
hand-load it onto the JOBO reels. This process is normally very
smooth, the film unspooling as I load it. I do, however, use a glove
bag since I don't have a proper darkroom.

I have tried squeegeeing just pulling the film between the index and
middle finger of my hands (after they were well wetted) but that
didn't seem to be the solution.

So at this point dealing with those scratches - which happen most
often at the start of the roll, by the way - is the most tedious part
of making a final image.

I don't shoot color at all with my M's, just the R8. I have seen no
more sign of scratching since the roll that the lab called me about.
After gently cleaning everything seemed to work well.

I suspect it's a darkroom technique  -  or lack of one, since I'm
pretty much self-taught.


On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:57:46 -0700, Ted Grant <> wrote:
> Adam Bridge said:
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: FW: Black and White C41 Film
> > The scratches only show up on the negatives I process myself, not on
> > ones that I send out, either color or CN black and white even if I
> > scan without digital ICE. And it happens with three different cameras:
> > two M6's and one . . . R8! (Just to connect to another thread
> > happening here.)
> >
> > I actually DID have the R8 scratch my film - it was picked up by the
> > lab I use for E6 who called me and I had the camera cleaned. (I
> > definately like this lab.)<<<<<<<
> Hi Adam,
> I have to ask... If you only find scratches on the film you develop, is it
> not possible some how you are doing the scatching when handling the film?
> How do you get the film out of the casset? Pull it out the felt slot or do
> you pop the end cap off and take the roll out into hand and load the reel
> free hand?
> And did you only have one roll scratched in the R8, the one the lab said
> "they found it?" Or have you had many rolls scratched in the same R8?  And
> if so, have you "louped" the pressure plate looking for anything that might
> cause this? Because if you've only had one roll scratched in your R8 it
> leaves a great deal of doubt that it was the camera.
> ted
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