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Subject: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked
From: s.dimitrov at charter.net (Slobodan Dimitrov)
Date: Mon Aug 23 07:54:11 2004

....and that we were not because we read LIFE!
S. Dimitrov

> From: FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@btinternet.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:28:33 +0100 (BST)
> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked
> 
> I am not experienced with ALL newspapers, just lots in
> English. I would say all of them are there to
> propagate the political/personal beliefs of the
> proprietor, that the journalists who write for them
> have like views and believe they are writing the
> truth. I have never read an accurate article
> concerning anything where I have knowledge of the
> facts so I assume all other articles, where I am not
> in possesion of the facts, are equally innacurate. My
> solution is to read lots of reports of the same
> incidents from different sources, very stimulating.
> At least we knew Pravda was innaccurate and the
> Soviets were brainwashed.........
> Frank
> 
> --- Slobodan Dimitrov <s.dimitrov@charter.net> wrote:
>> I knew that! After a while, corresponding with the
>> same people, one falls
>> into a short hand.
>> If you check the histories of  early newspapers,
>> you'll find that most were
>> political papers. Many of the early newspapers'
>> names alone would tell you
>> right off what they stood for.
>> But LIFE was really a soft sell compared to the
>> Hearst newspapers.
>> S. Dimitrov
>> 
>> 
>>> From: "Kit McChesney | Vuelux" <kitmc@vuelux.com>
>>> Organization: Vuelux | Leica Cameras, Sport Optics
>> & Accessories
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:35:16 -0600
>>> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked
>>> 
>>> Slobo--
>>> 
>>> I didn't mean that what YOU said was propaganda; I
>> was just commenting on
>>> LIFE's editorial decision. Sorry to confuse
>> (mostly myself!)
>>> 
>>> Kit
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: lug-bounces+kitmc=vuelux.com@leica-users.org
>>> 
>> 
> [mailto:lug-bounces+kitmc=vuelux.com@leica-users.org]
>> On Behalf Of Kit
>>> McChesney | Vuelux
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:31 PM
>>> To: 'Leica Users Group'
>>> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked
>>> 
>>> Talk about propaganda! :)
>>> 
>>> Kit
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: lug-bounces+kitmc=vuelux.com@leica-users.org
>>> 
>> 
> [mailto:lug-bounces+kitmc=vuelux.com@leica-users.org]
>> On Behalf Of Slobodan
>>> Dimitrov
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:22 PM
>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked
>>> 
>>> And, needless to say, the reason d'?tre for LIFE,
>> as an instrument of the
>>> Cold War, was the portrayal, or the selling, of a
>> way of life.
>>> One of my favorites of LIFE's mistruths came from
>> Arnold Newman. During a
>>> lecture/presentation he spoke about the famous
>> Igor Stravinsky image at the
>>> piano. It was assigned by  LIFE, but not used for
>> the week it was done for.
>>> Apparently it got booted for another image, two
>> East German soldiers holding
>>> hands, while on guard duty at the Berlin Wall.
>> Need I say more!
>>> S. Dimitrov
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:23:46 -0400
>>>> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked
>>>> 
>>>> What Smith did was, by today's standards,
>> inexcusable. BUT - he was not
>>>> operating under today's standards: he was working
>> in an era in which
>>>> standards were much different. Look through a
>> pile of old LIFE's and you
>>>> will quickly see that the 'golden days' of PJ
>> were days of the set up
>>>> shot....
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
>> lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
>>>> 
>> 
> [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org]
>> On Behalf Of
>>>> Dan C
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 4:41 PM
>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And even in more recent times, W. Eugene Smith
>> was known to alter some
>>>> of
>>>> his photos for artistic sense.   And many of his
>> photo essay's were
>>>> setups.
>>>> But the bottom line was that he was not depicting
>> a lie.  His photos
>>>> showed Doctor Schweitzer doing what he actually
>> did in real life, Smith
>>>> just wanted the photos to look a bit better.
>>>> 
>>>> -dan c.
>>>> 
>>>> At 02:20 PM 22-08-04 -0400, Emanuel Lowi wrote:
>>>>> Remember too that there was a tradition of photo
>>>>> humbuggery established before the days of yellow
>>>>> journalism. There were pictures haunted with
>> ghosts &
>>>>> people posed with props or dressed up in
>> strangers
>>>>> clothes, for effect.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Exposure times were long and the gear cumbersome
>> --
>>>>> none of this zippy whiz-bang digital ease, eh
>> ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> So they made sure the picture looked "right,"
>> even
>>>>> though it was "wrong." Plus ?a change...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Emanuel Lowi
>>>>> Montreal
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
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