Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/08/23
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]....and that we were not because we read LIFE! S. Dimitrov > From: FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@btinternet.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:28:33 +0100 (BST) > To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked > > I am not experienced with ALL newspapers, just lots in > English. I would say all of them are there to > propagate the political/personal beliefs of the > proprietor, that the journalists who write for them > have like views and believe they are writing the > truth. I have never read an accurate article > concerning anything where I have knowledge of the > facts so I assume all other articles, where I am not > in possesion of the facts, are equally innacurate. My > solution is to read lots of reports of the same > incidents from different sources, very stimulating. > At least we knew Pravda was innaccurate and the > Soviets were brainwashed......... > Frank > > --- Slobodan Dimitrov <s.dimitrov@charter.net> wrote: >> I knew that! After a while, corresponding with the >> same people, one falls >> into a short hand. >> If you check the histories of early newspapers, >> you'll find that most were >> political papers. Many of the early newspapers' >> names alone would tell you >> right off what they stood for. >> But LIFE was really a soft sell compared to the >> Hearst newspapers. >> S. Dimitrov >> >> >>> From: "Kit McChesney | Vuelux" <kitmc@vuelux.com> >>> Organization: Vuelux | Leica Cameras, Sport Optics >> & Accessories >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:35:16 -0600 >>> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> >>> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked >>> >>> Slobo-- >>> >>> I didn't mean that what YOU said was propaganda; I >> was just commenting on >>> LIFE's editorial decision. Sorry to confuse >> (mostly myself!) >>> >>> Kit >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: lug-bounces+kitmc=vuelux.com@leica-users.org >>> >> > [mailto:lug-bounces+kitmc=vuelux.com@leica-users.org] >> On Behalf Of Kit >>> McChesney | Vuelux >>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:31 PM >>> To: 'Leica Users Group' >>> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked >>> >>> Talk about propaganda! :) >>> >>> Kit >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: lug-bounces+kitmc=vuelux.com@leica-users.org >>> >> > [mailto:lug-bounces+kitmc=vuelux.com@leica-users.org] >> On Behalf Of Slobodan >>> Dimitrov >>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:22 PM >>> To: Leica Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked >>> >>> And, needless to say, the reason d'?tre for LIFE, >> as an instrument of the >>> Cold War, was the portrayal, or the selling, of a >> way of life. >>> One of my favorites of LIFE's mistruths came from >> Arnold Newman. During a >>> lecture/presentation he spoke about the famous >> Igor Stravinsky image at the >>> piano. It was assigned by LIFE, but not used for >> the week it was done for. >>> Apparently it got booted for another image, two >> East German soldiers holding >>> hands, while on guard duty at the Berlin Wall. >> Need I say more! >>> S. Dimitrov >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >>>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:23:46 -0400 >>>> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked >>>> >>>> What Smith did was, by today's standards, >> inexcusable. BUT - he was not >>>> operating under today's standards: he was working >> in an era in which >>>> standards were much different. Look through a >> pile of old LIFE's and you >>>> will quickly see that the 'golden days' of PJ >> were days of the set up >>>> shot.... >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: >> lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org >>>> >> > [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] >> On Behalf Of >>>> Dan C >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 4:41 PM >>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Shakleton Photos Faked >>>> >>>> >>>> And even in more recent times, W. Eugene Smith >> was known to alter some >>>> of >>>> his photos for artistic sense. And many of his >> photo essay's were >>>> setups. >>>> But the bottom line was that he was not depicting >> a lie. His photos >>>> showed Doctor Schweitzer doing what he actually >> did in real life, Smith >>>> just wanted the photos to look a bit better. >>>> >>>> -dan c. >>>> >>>> At 02:20 PM 22-08-04 -0400, Emanuel Lowi wrote: >>>>> Remember too that there was a tradition of photo >>>>> humbuggery established before the days of yellow >>>>> journalism. There were pictures haunted with >> ghosts & >>>>> people posed with props or dressed up in >> strangers >>>>> clothes, for effect. >>>>> >>>>> Exposure times were long and the gear cumbersome >> -- >>>>> none of this zippy whiz-bang digital ease, eh >> ;-) >>>>> >>>>> So they made sure the picture looked "right," >> even >>>>> though it was "wrong." Plus ?a change... >>>>> >>>>> Emanuel Lowi >>>>> Montreal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for >> more information >> > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information