[Leica] M magazine

[scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin)]

Ok, I'll rephrase in a more Hemmingway-esqe style of
6th-grade level journalistic prose.

I do hope to see "M" myself soon. I wonder why the
images are as you describe?  It seems you are saying that the
images selected for the "M" publication are not so squarely
in a photo-journalistic style that we associate with Magnum.
Why might this be? I wonder if the Magnum photographers
themselves view these more artsy style photos you describe
as their best work?  If so, I wonder what it is about the
Magnum photographers that informs these value judgements?

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So what does mine or the original post have to do with
Leicas anyay? Just because some Magnum guys still use
them? Are we sure that Leica's were used to produce
these particlar M photos?

My point was no "rant." My original post was squarely
about Magnum, their new publication, photogs including
HCB (Leica user), and another's post about Robert Capa
(Leica user).

In anycase, however I choose to express my point, the
content is the same. I didn't use profanity or discuss
politics; and otherwise, I refuse to be editted by you.

For me, I'm going out into the coming sunset and try to
take a bunch of classically photo-journalistic style of
pics with my new M6.

Scott

Buzz Hausner wrote:

>I am not sure what if any point is made by this rant, especially from
>one who hasn't seen the publication under discussion.  I am particularly
>confused by his throwing Cary Grant, Harvard University, and Harvard's
>various graduate actors and musicians into a discussion of photography.
>Certainly this must be due to my own short sightedness and ignorance.
>The author does prove by his own example that Harvard makes admissions
>errors.
>
>I for one prefer to judge artists by their art, not by their friends or
>by apocryphal stories I have heard about their personalities.
>
>Buzz Hausner
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: lug-bounces+buzz.hausner=verizon.net@leica-users.org
>[mailto:lug-bounces+buzz.hausner=verizon.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf
>Of Scott McLoughlin
>Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:52 PM
>To: Leica Users Group
>Subject: Re: [Leica] M magazine
>
>It's a good point made that Capa was hip. HCB hung around
>with the most pretentious, self-consciously navel-gazing art
>crowd you can imagine, Andre Breton and the surrealists,
>and did his first commercial work, IIRC, for one of Breton's
>surrealist/communist (go figure on that mix!) publications
>in the 30's.
>
>But anyway, whatever their work product or public persona, it
>shouldn't surprise folks that artists are typically, well, artists! You
>know, the self-consciously artsy, elite hipster types :-)  The
>public product and private person don't have to match up.
>
>Weird examples (not photogs): quintisentially "American idol"
>Cary Grant was a bisexual Brit who liked halucinagenic drugs;
>real "down home" country musician Bonnie Raitt grew up in
>New York and went to Harvard (my alma matter).  Here's
>another really weird one. "Dukes of Hazard" Boss Hog went
>to Harvard too. Yup!  In real life, he was a "Dunster House Tea
>at 5:00" type of guy.
>
>You get the idea. Have fun, add your own examples. It's not
>very hard!
>
>So back to M and photogs, even if they do-or-have-done photo
>journalism work that we all adore, it doesn't mean that they
>themselves necessarily view that work as their best. Maybe, but
>maybe not.  Maybe that just pays the bills. Maybe they like to
>travel. Of course, maybe some do view their journalism work
>as their highest calling. 
>
>But we shouldn't necessarily assume so. Just as likely, I'd wager
>that some, maybe many (no, not all!!!) really, really elite photogs
>are a bunch of somewhat "artsy fartsy" types who might have
>gone to nice schools, have a yearning desire to "do something
>new with the medium" and so on and so forth. What do you
>want? They're artists.
>
>But I haven't seen "M", so I'm not claiming it doesn't totally
>suck :-)
>
>Scott
>
>
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