Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/08/15

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Subject: [Leica] Shadow noise in scans
From: pklein at 2alpha.net (Peter Klein)
Date: Sun Aug 15 02:37:50 2004

Folks:  I frequently encounter shadow noise in my scans. I can usually work 
around it, but I'm wondering if there is something I can do--perhaps while 
scanning--to minimize it.

Have a look at this:
http://users.2alpha.com/~pklein/temp/noise.jpg

This picture was taken with an M6TTL and CV 50/1.5 Nokton, on Kodak T400CN 
rated 400.  It was taken in a dim reception hall, but the subjects were 
illuminated by a shaft of light from some nearby large windows, and I 
exposed for them, not the background.  The scanner is a Canon FS-4000, run 
at 4000 dpi and driven by VueScan.  I scan to 16 bit TIFF, and use Picture 
Window Pro in 16 bit mode for my editing.  The various versions of the 
picture are shown at 1/3 actual pixels.

The leftmost image is of the scan pretty much out of the scanner (I'd 
spotted and cropped, but that's all).  You can see the noise in the darkest 
areas.  This is the kind of noise I am often plagued with.  It tends to 
happen more often in available light pictures than well-lit outdoor 
shots.  It doesn't show much on a 5x7 quadtone print, but is quite 
prominent on an 8x10.  And if I get the same negative printed in a wet 
darkroom, the noise isn't there.

The center image is what I ended up with after curves, contrast, and 
sharpening (the latter using a mask so only the people were sharpened, not 
the surrounding area).  I've dropped the background to nearly jet-black, 
but there are still lots of noise speckles.  And I've lost some gradation 
in the girl's hair.

The righthand image has been noise-filtered with NeatImage before curves, 
etc.  I used it sparingly so it wouldn't soften or "plasticize" the image 
too much.  It's helped, but the noise still shows up--more in a print that 
on the screen.  I've found that most of the time, when I use NeatImage or 
Picture Window's Despeckle feature, I can only get rid of some of the noise 
before the image gets messed up.

What might I try to get rid of this noise?  Is there anything can I do to 
minimize it during the scan?  I've tried the multiple exposure feature in 
VueScan, and it doesn't really help with this type of noise.

BTW, here's the whole picture.  This one is a reduction of the Costco CD 
Jpeg I got when the film was developed.  They went way dark, so you see no 
shadow noise (or detail).
http://users.2alpha.com/~pklein/JonAntionWedding/Show/JonAntionWedding/slide_13.jpg

Thanks,
--Peter Klein
Seattle, WA


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