Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/07/13

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Subject: [Leica] Why a digital M
From: Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie)
Date: Tue Jul 13 12:07:06 2004
References: <005a01c468df$f3ba6010$6d01a8c0@ccapr.com>

The sensor is probably getting on for half the entire cost. If it gets  
bigger it gets more expensive. Big chips will never be cheap because  
their cost depends on the number of defects per silicon wafer, not one  
of the parameters which has seen the rapid improvements seen in the  
chip architecture. New sensors may be offered but they are not likely  
to be cheap.
Frank

On 13 Jul, 2004, at 14:47, B. D. Colen wrote:

> Reasonable? Switch sensors at "nominal cost?" Come on guys, get real. I
> wouldn't expect any company to do that - upgrade the firmware for free?
> Sure. But not the sensor.
>
> Face it - what they give you is what you get. And what they're going to
> give you is going to be VERY pricey and far from ideal. It may be 'good
> enough' for what you want to do, and the price may not deter you. So  
> buy
> it and use it in good health. But don't expect anything at a give-away
> price; don't expect any real innovation; and don't expect a camera that
> is up to the top digital standards at the time of release. ;-)
>
> B. D.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Leonard J Kapner
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:40 AM
> To: 'Leica Users Group'
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Why a digital M
>
>
> Bob,
>
> This sounds like a reasonable if somewhat complicated approach, but  
> it's
> not a bad idea if Leica want to stem the tide of defection. But who
> knows? It may already be too late, as B.D. has recently suggested...
>
> Len
>
> --  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+ljkapner=cox.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+ljkapner=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Afterswift@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:29 PM
> To: lug@leica-users.org
> Subject: [Leica] Why a digital M
>
>
> In a message dated 7/12/04 7:23:50 PM, lug-request@leica-users.org
> writes:
>
> << to put it really bluntly, why would anyone in his or her right mind
> pay 5500K - for example - for an "M" body when for the same amount of
> money he or she could buy an 8 mpg Canon Eos MkII and an array of
> Canon's best lenses? >>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -
> ----
> --
> --------------
> If Leica Solms wants to jump into the digital sea with an M, then let
> its
> frames show the standard film lenses with the APS sensor subframes and
> guarantee
> to buyers that Leica will update the sensor frame to full 35mm at
> nominal cost
> when it becomes available. So the digital M would have modular
> construction.
>
>
>> From personal experience with the fast D70 and standard Nikkor film
>> lenses,
> I
> found that the APS sized sensor can produce professional quality  
> images.
> The
> present full 35mm frame 13MP sensor used in the Kodak 14n leaves a lot
> to be
>
> desired from reports I've read. The Kodak 14n is rather ponderous.
>
> Bob
>
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