Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/07/11

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Subject: [Leica] Leica Digital M LCD Monitor
From: abridge at (Adam Bridge)
Date: Sun Jul 11 14:16:59 2004
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In a discussion about histograms here within the past few months (I
think) someone observed that histograms are fancy light meters - and
darn good ones since they reflect what the sensor actually records.
They are tools, and very very good ones - especially with digital
cameras where you want to push your exposures toward the high end
(more pixels.) This is why cameras offer increasingly sophisticated
zone metering systems. Well a histogram is exactly that carried to an

The rest of  your diatribe is interesting if only for its lack of any
concept of how I work or how I might use that tool. But it IS a
valuable tool.

If you don't like the images I make, whether with an R8, an M6ttl or a
10D then that's fine - they are the ways I currently "make pictures."
But I know there are ways to help me make more consistent images that
match what I hold in my mind when I'm shooting. Since I'm not a street
photographer in any sense of the word I usually have time to figure
out the lighting, shoot a trial image, mess around, and figure out
what works. This will make that process even easier.


On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:03:43 -0230, Greg Locke <> wrote:
> Ever seen the delay, lag time, blurring in these things and have you ever
> tried to use one in bright sunlight?
> If you are looking at histograms and other data while trying to make
> pictures you will never make decent pictures.
> It's no different then doing those stupid focusing formulas.
> If you can't take a picture, a histogram ain't going to help you.
> Most people on this list have been taking pictures long before we ever knew
> what a histogram was.
> Photography is pretty simple actually.
> Set the exposure, focus the lens, compose, and push the button.
> We've been doing it a long time. Anything that gets in the middle of this
> system or otherwise complicates the issue will actually degrade the
> spontaneity and "decisive moment of photography.
> That's it!! It doesn't matter if its film, digital or Liquid Light on Swiss
> cheese.
> Any digital camera formats and form factors that think it can be anything
> different will fail in the market of professionals and serious amateurs.
> Digital cameras should be no different than film cameras. The only
> difference should by CF/SM cards instead of film.
> ...and they ain't there yet on this count either.
> Greg Locke
> St. John's, Newfoundland
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > [] On
> > Behalf Of Adam Bridge
> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:01 PM
> > To: Leica Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica Digital M LCD Monitor
> >
> > The ability to view a scene with overlays through a real-time
> > LCD on the back would provide a lot of feedback and
> > information not available through the optical viewfinder.  If
> > there is not mechanical shutter in the Digital M then there's
> > no obvious reason (to me) precluding it, current practice has
> > nothing to do with what is possible since there are no
> > high-end range-finder digital cameras.
> >
> > Live histogram information immediately leaps to mind as a
> > reason for making this available although realestate could be
> > saved by making this information available through the viewfinder.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:21:01 -0400, B. D. Colen
> > <> wrote:
> > > No camera with a "real" viewfinder has a real-time LCD, and I can't
> > > imagine how the digital M would have one.
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