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Subject: [Leica] That's it, I'm throwing my cameras in the river
From: s.jessurun95 at chello.nl (animal)
Date: Wed Apr 28 16:21:25 2004
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B.D.
I dont apreciate your angry tone.
You have had no problems in the past contacting me off list , my adress
has not changed .
And I said sorry somewhere below for interrupting a conversation.
In your language i believe it to be impolite to combine an explanation
with an apology.
Simon


| Excuse me, Simon, but WHAT precisely is your problem?
|
|
| On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:43:13 +0200, animal <s.jessurun95@chello.nl>
wrote:
|
| > sorry for interrupting your conversation I wont do it again
| > simon
| >
| > | What is this supposed to mean, and what does it supposedly have to
do
| > with
| > | people taking photos simply because they will be terrific photos?
| > |
| > |
| > | On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:48:29 +0200, animal
<s.jessurun95@chello.nl>
| > wrote:
| > |
| > | > Beasts want to be on top of every hill , king of the world .
| > | > There is no harm in that is there?
| > | > We all want to say look mammy what i have done occasionally
don,t
| > we?
| > | > Rule the world with a magic feather?
| > | > simon
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | No, it doesn't explain why someone takes a snap of Skipper and
| > Sissy,
| > | > but
| > | > | theoretically people on this list think of themselves as
| > | > "photographers."
| > | > |
| > | > | And, no, I would not flunk her because she had one, or even
| > several,
| > | > | photos in her project that weren't good picks.
| > | > | But she showed the photo in question independently, as her PAW
for
| > the
| > | > | past week - students are required to produce one photo a week
that
| > can
| > | > be
| > | > | viewed as telling a story - and that one does. In terms of her
| > | > project, it
| > | > | is one of several showing that one of the 'clients' at the
center
| > was
| > | > | upset, and several  people, including his 'girlfriend,' whose
hand
| > was
| > | > in
| > | > | the photo, was one of those people...
| > | > |
| > | > | But the point I was trying to make, is that I think she hit
the
| > | > proverbial
| > | > | nail on the head in terms of why "photographers" take photos -
| > they
| > | > take
| > | > | them for the same reason that mountain climbers give for
climbing
| > | > | mountains - because they're there!
| > | > | :-)
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:33:14 -0400, Phong <phong@doan-ltd.com>
| > wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > B.D.,
| > | > | >
| > | > | > That is only partially true, and I suppose
| > | > | > more so for "photographers".  The majority
| > | > | > of the people who take photos are not
| > | > | > photographers.  They just want a snapshot
| > | > | > of someone, or something that interest
| > | > | > them.  Even I do this sometimes, though
| > | > | > I would never show the result to another
| > | > | > photographer, especially on the LUG.  :-)
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Anyway, your story raises and answers
| > | > | > the question of why your student takes
| > | > | > that photo.  It does not address why
| > | > | > she chose that photo to show.  Clearly,
| > | > | > if it does not fit her project, or the story
| > | > | > she wants to tell, it would not be included,
| > | > | > no matter how great the photo is.  Otherwise
| > | > | > you would flunk her, wouldn't you ?   :-)
| > | > | >
| > | > | > - Phong
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > B. D. Colen wrote:
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> About 'our' motivation to photograph.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> This past Saturday, my students were showing roughs of
their
| > | > semester
| > | > | >> projects. One young woman has been shooting at a center for
the
| > | > | >> developmentally disabled - aw, hell, the retarded -
focusing on
| > an
| > | > art
| > | > | >> program they have. She showed an image that was a close up
of
| > two
| > | > | >> people's hands awkwardly touching - a striking image - and
my
| > TA
| > | > noted
| > | > | >> that this image was a good one for us to think about in
terms
| > of
| > | > | >> addressing the question 'when is photo
journalism/documentary
| > | > | >> photography, voyeurism?' So we talked about it for a while
and
| > then
| > | > I
| > | > | >> asked the student, 'why did you take this photo?' Her
response:
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> "I thought it would be a great photo!" No bullshit. No 'I
want
| > to
| > | > help
| > | > | >> people.' No BS about 'understanding.' Just the bottom
line -
| > she's
| > | > a
| > | > | >> photographer, and the image leapt out at her. And that, in
my
| > | > humble
| > | > | >> opinion, is what IT really is all about.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> We may take photos for various economic, personal,
political,
| > | > | >> journalistic reasons. But if we really are the beast called
| > | > | >> photographers, it call comes down to "I thought it would be
a
| > great
| > | > | >> photo!"
| > | > | >
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In reply to: Message from phong at doan-ltd.com (Phong) ([Leica] That's it, I'm throwing my cameras in the river)
Message from bdcolen at mit.edu (B. D. Colen) ([Leica] That's it, I'm throwing my cameras in the river)
Message from s.jessurun95 at chello.nl (animal) ([Leica] That's it, I'm throwing my cameras in the river)
Message from bdcolen at mit.edu (B. D. Colen) ([Leica] That's it, I'm throwing my cameras in the river)
Message from s.jessurun95 at chello.nl (animal) ([Leica] That's it, I'm throwing my cameras in the river)
Message from bdcolen at mit.edu (B. D. Colen) ([Leica] That's it, I'm throwing my cameras in the river)