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Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter
From: sam <sam@osheaven.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:39:52 -0500
References: <20040227121102.71928.qmail@web60401.mail.yahoo.com> <403F61C8.E09C84AF@pacbell.net> <004801c3fd4a$40b33740$dc645618@vc.shawcable.net>

I hope it works out for him too, but I gotta admit, for the sake of 
gossip, I really want to know who it is. Call me unfeeling.

Sam S



Joe Leung wrote:
> Jerry,
> 
> I think Mark is very kind. He tried to send a warning to the seller and to
> give him a final chance to resolve the matter privately before exposing his
> identity. I hope the seller will do something about it before it's too late.
> 
> Good luck Mark.
> 
> Joe L.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter
> 
> 
> 
>>Mark
>>
>>Since you have withheld the sellers name, your message does
>>not prevent any of us from falling into a similar trap from the
>>same seller.
>>
>>Otherwise, why send an "open letter"?
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>Mark Theken wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Over the past two years, I have made many mutually
>>>beneficial transactions with LUG participants.  I
>>>deeply regret the necessity to post this message
>>>regarding a recent transaction.  The seller, by
>>>refusing to respond to my correspondence, has given me
>>>no alternative to seek the refund I have requested
>>>over the past 2 weeks.
>>>Dear XXXXXXX:
>>>I am requesting that you acknowledge the sale and
>>>guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX
>>>which I received from you on 2/6/2004.  I contacted
>>>you immediately after receiving this camera and
>>>politely stated my concerns regarding the authenticity
>>>of this camera.  The documentation you claimed prior
>>>to the sale was unavailable.  Because you were unable
>>>to provide copies of this documentation, I politely
>>>requested that you accept the return of this camera
>>>and refund the purchase price.  You responded with a
>>>refusal to discuss this transaction any further.
>>>Curiously, you also ignored my request to provide a
>>>sales receipt for this mail order transaction.
>>>Regardless, I have copies of the bank draft, made
>>>payable to you, in the amount of USD $6225.
>>>Based upon your claim of expertise in authenticating
>>>rare Leica cameras, I made the good faith and sight
>>>unseen purchase of this camera which you listed for
>>>sale on the LUG website.  It has since been
>>>established by three internationally recognized Leica
>>>collectors that this camera was altered from the
>>>original 1960 production at some point in time.  That
>>>message was forwarded to you 2/20/2004.   Based upon
>>>this information, two possibilities exist.
>>>1-Your representation of the authenticity and
>>>guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX
>>>was erroneous.
>>>2-You were aware that this camera had been altered
>>>since the original production in 1960.  Your refusal
>>>to respond to any of my correspondence about this
>>>transaction makes this very disturbing to me.
>>>You stated in our correspondence that this camera has
>>>a value of two times the price that I paid.  In
>>>reality, the value is more likely 50% of the price I
>>>paid.  If you are convinced that the value of the
>>>camera is as you have stated, reversing this
>>>transaction should be a very simple economic decision
>>>for you.
>>>As I stated in my previous messages to you, by
>>>returning the purchase amount of USD $6225 to attorney
>>>Alfred Wolsky in Arlington, MA, we can both walk away
>>>from this transaction undamaged.  Mr. Wolsky, the
>>>Legal Officer of the LHSA, has graciously agreed at my
>>>request to act as an escrow agent.  He will hold the
>>>camera to be returned to you by whatever arrangements
>>>you make with him.   In that event, I am willing to
>>>accept that the first possibility listed above is
>>>correct.  I think we both will sleep much better with
>>>that conclusion to this matter.
>>>Your frequent posts to the LUG over the past two years
>>>have stated your expectation of a high level of
>>>integrity from LUG participants.  It is now time for
>>>you to act as you expect others to.  It is not my
>>>intention to impeach your expertise, integrity or
>>>standing within the LUG or LHSA community in any way.
>>>
>>>I feel it is in our mutual best interest for you to
>>>respond to this request immediately.
>>>Sincerely,
>>>Mark Theken
>>>telephone:  330-494-3552
>>>marktheken@yahoo.com
>>>
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Replies: Reply from Joe Leung <jcyleung8@shaw.ca> (Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter)
In reply to: Message from Mark Theken <marktheken@yahoo.com> ([Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter)
Message from Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net> (Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter)
Message from Joe Leung <jcyleung8@shaw.ca> (Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter)