Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/02/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Sam, At this stage and to be fair, we should give the seller the benefit of the doubt. Hope it will have a happy ending. Joe L. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "sam" <sam@osheaven.net> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter > I hope it works out for him too, but I gotta admit, for the sake of > gossip, I really want to know who it is. Call me unfeeling. > > Sam S > > > > Joe Leung wrote: > > Jerry, > > > > I think Mark is very kind. He tried to send a warning to the seller and to > > give him a final chance to resolve the matter privately before exposing his > > identity. I hope the seller will do something about it before it's too late. > > > > Good luck Mark. > > > > Joe L. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net> > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter > > > > > > > >>Mark > >> > >>Since you have withheld the sellers name, your message does > >>not prevent any of us from falling into a similar trap from the > >>same seller. > >> > >>Otherwise, why send an "open letter"? > >> > >>Jerry > >> > >>Mark Theken wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Over the past two years, I have made many mutually > >>>beneficial transactions with LUG participants. I > >>>deeply regret the necessity to post this message > >>>regarding a recent transaction. The seller, by > >>>refusing to respond to my correspondence, has given me > >>>no alternative to seek the refund I have requested > >>>over the past 2 weeks. > >>>Dear XXXXXXX: > >>>I am requesting that you acknowledge the sale and > >>>guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX > >>>which I received from you on 2/6/2004. I contacted > >>>you immediately after receiving this camera and > >>>politely stated my concerns regarding the authenticity > >>>of this camera. The documentation you claimed prior > >>>to the sale was unavailable. Because you were unable > >>>to provide copies of this documentation, I politely > >>>requested that you accept the return of this camera > >>>and refund the purchase price. You responded with a > >>>refusal to discuss this transaction any further. > >>>Curiously, you also ignored my request to provide a > >>>sales receipt for this mail order transaction. > >>>Regardless, I have copies of the bank draft, made > >>>payable to you, in the amount of USD $6225. > >>>Based upon your claim of expertise in authenticating > >>>rare Leica cameras, I made the good faith and sight > >>>unseen purchase of this camera which you listed for > >>>sale on the LUG website. It has since been > >>>established by three internationally recognized Leica > >>>collectors that this camera was altered from the > >>>original 1960 production at some point in time. That > >>>message was forwarded to you 2/20/2004. Based upon > >>>this information, two possibilities exist. > >>>1-Your representation of the authenticity and > >>>guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX > >>>was erroneous. > >>>2-You were aware that this camera had been altered > >>>since the original production in 1960. Your refusal > >>>to respond to any of my correspondence about this > >>>transaction makes this very disturbing to me. > >>>You stated in our correspondence that this camera has > >>>a value of two times the price that I paid. In > >>>reality, the value is more likely 50% of the price I > >>>paid. If you are convinced that the value of the > >>>camera is as you have stated, reversing this > >>>transaction should be a very simple economic decision > >>>for you. > >>>As I stated in my previous messages to you, by > >>>returning the purchase amount of USD $6225 to attorney > >>>Alfred Wolsky in Arlington, MA, we can both walk away > >>>from this transaction undamaged. Mr. Wolsky, the > >>>Legal Officer of the LHSA, has graciously agreed at my > >>>request to act as an escrow agent. He will hold the > >>>camera to be returned to you by whatever arrangements > >>>you make with him. In that event, I am willing to > >>>accept that the first possibility listed above is > >>>correct. I think we both will sleep much better with > >>>that conclusion to this matter. > >>>Your frequent posts to the LUG over the past two years > >>>have stated your expectation of a high level of > >>>integrity from LUG participants. It is now time for > >>>you to act as you expect others to. It is not my > >>>intention to impeach your expertise, integrity or > >>>standing within the LUG or LHSA community in any way. > >>> > >>>I feel it is in our mutual best interest for you to > >>>respond to this request immediately. > >>>Sincerely, > >>>Mark Theken > >>>telephone: 330-494-3552 > >>>marktheken@yahoo.com > >>> > >>>__________________________________ > >>>Do you Yahoo!? > >>>Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. > >>>http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > >>>-- > >>>To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > >> > >>-- > >>To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html