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Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter
From: Joe Leung <jcyleung8@shaw.ca>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:28:22 -0800
References: <20040227121102.71928.qmail@web60401.mail.yahoo.com> <403F61C8.E09C84AF@pacbell.net> <004801c3fd4a$40b33740$dc645618@vc.shawcable.net> <403F72D8.90602@osheaven.net>

Sam,

At this stage and to be fair, we should give the seller the benefit of the
doubt. Hope it will have a happy ending.

Joe L.


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sam" <sam@osheaven.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter


> I hope it works out for him too, but I gotta admit, for the sake of
> gossip, I really want to know who it is. Call me unfeeling.
>
> Sam S
>
>
>
> Joe Leung wrote:
> > Jerry,
> >
> > I think Mark is very kind. He tried to send a warning to the seller and
to
> > give him a final chance to resolve the matter privately before exposing
his
> > identity. I hope the seller will do something about it before it's too
late.
> >
> > Good luck Mark.
> >
> > Joe L.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter
> >
> >
> >
> >>Mark
> >>
> >>Since you have withheld the sellers name, your message does
> >>not prevent any of us from falling into a similar trap from the
> >>same seller.
> >>
> >>Otherwise, why send an "open letter"?
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>Mark Theken wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Over the past two years, I have made many mutually
> >>>beneficial transactions with LUG participants.  I
> >>>deeply regret the necessity to post this message
> >>>regarding a recent transaction.  The seller, by
> >>>refusing to respond to my correspondence, has given me
> >>>no alternative to seek the refund I have requested
> >>>over the past 2 weeks.
> >>>Dear XXXXXXX:
> >>>I am requesting that you acknowledge the sale and
> >>>guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX
> >>>which I received from you on 2/6/2004.  I contacted
> >>>you immediately after receiving this camera and
> >>>politely stated my concerns regarding the authenticity
> >>>of this camera.  The documentation you claimed prior
> >>>to the sale was unavailable.  Because you were unable
> >>>to provide copies of this documentation, I politely
> >>>requested that you accept the return of this camera
> >>>and refund the purchase price.  You responded with a
> >>>refusal to discuss this transaction any further.
> >>>Curiously, you also ignored my request to provide a
> >>>sales receipt for this mail order transaction.
> >>>Regardless, I have copies of the bank draft, made
> >>>payable to you, in the amount of USD $6225.
> >>>Based upon your claim of expertise in authenticating
> >>>rare Leica cameras, I made the good faith and sight
> >>>unseen purchase of this camera which you listed for
> >>>sale on the LUG website.  It has since been
> >>>established by three internationally recognized Leica
> >>>collectors that this camera was altered from the
> >>>original 1960 production at some point in time.  That
> >>>message was forwarded to you 2/20/2004.   Based upon
> >>>this information, two possibilities exist.
> >>>1-Your representation of the authenticity and
> >>>guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX
> >>>was erroneous.
> >>>2-You were aware that this camera had been altered
> >>>since the original production in 1960.  Your refusal
> >>>to respond to any of my correspondence about this
> >>>transaction makes this very disturbing to me.
> >>>You stated in our correspondence that this camera has
> >>>a value of two times the price that I paid.  In
> >>>reality, the value is more likely 50% of the price I
> >>>paid.  If you are convinced that the value of the
> >>>camera is as you have stated, reversing this
> >>>transaction should be a very simple economic decision
> >>>for you.
> >>>As I stated in my previous messages to you, by
> >>>returning the purchase amount of USD $6225 to attorney
> >>>Alfred Wolsky in Arlington, MA, we can both walk away
> >>>from this transaction undamaged.  Mr. Wolsky, the
> >>>Legal Officer of the LHSA, has graciously agreed at my
> >>>request to act as an escrow agent.  He will hold the
> >>>camera to be returned to you by whatever arrangements
> >>>you make with him.   In that event, I am willing to
> >>>accept that the first possibility listed above is
> >>>correct.  I think we both will sleep much better with
> >>>that conclusion to this matter.
> >>>Your frequent posts to the LUG over the past two years
> >>>have stated your expectation of a high level of
> >>>integrity from LUG participants.  It is now time for
> >>>you to act as you expect others to.  It is not my
> >>>intention to impeach your expertise, integrity or
> >>>standing within the LUG or LHSA community in any way.
> >>>
> >>>I feel it is in our mutual best interest for you to
> >>>respond to this request immediately.
> >>>Sincerely,
> >>>Mark Theken
> >>>telephone:  330-494-3552
> >>>marktheken@yahoo.com
> >>>
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