Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/02/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Jeez, Well, it does tell us not to try to cheat the buyer, but we should know that anyway. At least I do. Jerry sdp35 wrote: > Because it lets us know at least one side of the story so that it > doesn't appear to be a load of piss, bluster and plain old sour grapes? > > Or would you have preferred something like, "I got ripped off but I'll > spare you the gory details." Or would you have preferred he name names > immediately instead of being diplomatic? > > Jeez. > > Brian, Joe and others have been exactly spot on with their assessment > of how this was handled by Mark. > > On Feb 27, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Jerry Lehrer wrote: > > > Joe > > > > Yes, but why tell us about his private negotiations unless it could > > help us? How could it help us? > > > > Jerry > > > > Joe Leung wrote: > > > >> Jerry, > >> > >> I think Mark is very kind. He tried to send a warning to the seller > >> and to > >> give him a final chance to resolve the matter privately before > >> exposing his > >> identity. I hope the seller will do something about it before it's > >> too late. > >> > >> Good luck Mark. > >> > >> Joe L. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net> > >> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > >> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:27 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter > >> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> Since you have withheld the sellers name, your message does > >>> not prevent any of us from falling into a similar trap from the > >>> same seller. > >>> > >>> Otherwise, why send an "open letter"? > >>> > >>> Jerry > >>> > >>> Mark Theken wrote: > >>> > >>>> Over the past two years, I have made many mutually > >>>> beneficial transactions with LUG participants. I > >>>> deeply regret the necessity to post this message > >>>> regarding a recent transaction. The seller, by > >>>> refusing to respond to my correspondence, has given me > >>>> no alternative to seek the refund I have requested > >>>> over the past 2 weeks. > >>>> Dear XXXXXXX: > >>>> I am requesting that you acknowledge the sale and > >>>> guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX > >>>> which I received from you on 2/6/2004. I contacted > >>>> you immediately after receiving this camera and > >>>> politely stated my concerns regarding the authenticity > >>>> of this camera. The documentation you claimed prior > >>>> to the sale was unavailable. Because you were unable > >>>> to provide copies of this documentation, I politely > >>>> requested that you accept the return of this camera > >>>> and refund the purchase price. You responded with a > >>>> refusal to discuss this transaction any further. > >>>> Curiously, you also ignored my request to provide a > >>>> sales receipt for this mail order transaction. > >>>> Regardless, I have copies of the bank draft, made > >>>> payable to you, in the amount of USD $6225. > >>>> Based upon your claim of expertise in authenticating > >>>> rare Leica cameras, I made the good faith and sight > >>>> unseen purchase of this camera which you listed for > >>>> sale on the LUG website. It has since been > >>>> established by three internationally recognized Leica > >>>> collectors that this camera was altered from the > >>>> original 1960 production at some point in time. That > >>>> message was forwarded to you 2/20/2004. Based upon > >>>> this information, two possibilities exist. > >>>> 1-Your representation of the authenticity and > >>>> guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX > >>>> was erroneous. > >>>> 2-You were aware that this camera had been altered > >>>> since the original production in 1960. Your refusal > >>>> to respond to any of my correspondence about this > >>>> transaction makes this very disturbing to me. > >>>> You stated in our correspondence that this camera has > >>>> a value of two times the price that I paid. In > >>>> reality, the value is more likely 50% of the price I > >>>> paid. If you are convinced that the value of the > >>>> camera is as you have stated, reversing this > >>>> transaction should be a very simple economic decision > >>>> for you. > >>>> As I stated in my previous messages to you, by > >>>> returning the purchase amount of USD $6225 to attorney > >>>> Alfred Wolsky in Arlington, MA, we can both walk away > >>>> from this transaction undamaged. Mr. Wolsky, the > >>>> Legal Officer of the LHSA, has graciously agreed at my > >>>> request to act as an escrow agent. He will hold the > >>>> camera to be returned to you by whatever arrangements > >>>> you make with him. In that event, I am willing to > >>>> accept that the first possibility listed above is > >>>> correct. I think we both will sleep much better with > >>>> that conclusion to this matter. > >>>> Your frequent posts to the LUG over the past two years > >>>> have stated your expectation of a high level of > >>>> integrity from LUG participants. It is now time for > >>>> you to act as you expect others to. It is not my > >>>> intention to impeach your expertise, integrity or > >>>> standing within the LUG or LHSA community in any way. > >>>> > >>>> I feel it is in our mutual best interest for you to > >>>> respond to this request immediately. > >>>> Sincerely, > >>>> Mark Theken > >>>> telephone: 330-494-3552 > >>>> marktheken@yahoo.com > >>>> > >>>> __________________________________ > >>>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>>> Get better spam protection with Yahoo! 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