Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/09/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The origin of the terms oriental and occidental go back to Greco-Roman times and are thus quite ancient. If you came from Europe or the Levant you were considered occidental, if you came from the area east of present day Iran (Persia) you were oriental. Someone living in Lebanon, Syria or Egypt was considered every bit as much an Occidental as a Roman, Greek or a Gaul. If your home country was India, China or Japan you were considered to be Oriental in origin. The suggestion that these terms originated with the advent of the British Empire is just plain wrong. Britain was thousands of years in the future. Regards, Greg Jack McLain wrote: >Oh please..... "Oriental" hardly equates with the other nasty slurs you >referenced, and inferring (if thats what you did), that I would use or >condone those universally loathed terms based on my response is way over the >top. "Oriental" may not be as modern or accurate as "Asian", but it is >hardly inherently a slur or derogatory. We have at worst a generation gap >here. There was nothing in the context of the earlier post to assume >otherwise. > >And for the record, I have no problem at all being referred to as an >"Occidental"..... > >lighten up > >Is the luxury train "Orient Express" still running? > >cheers > >Jack McLain >Tucson, AZ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> >To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> >Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:32 PM >Subject: RE: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES > > > > >>Actually, no, Jack - It's hardly new. I first heard it about a decade >>ago when an Asian student in a class at Harvard Medical School dropped >>it on a prof who used "Orientals?" I wonder, would you say the same >>thing about the use of blacks or African Americans in place of n*****? >>Or Jews, rather than k****? Or how about Irish, rather than h****? As >>you well know, the term harks back to the days when the sun never set on >>the British Empire. Why does using the factually correct term bother >>you? Can you show me a modern map of the world with the term "Orient" on >>it? Just wondering. >> >>B. D. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >>[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jack >>McLain >>Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:20 PM >>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >>Subject: Re: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES >> >> >>oh... how darlingly PC >> >>I do hope you are only busting chops here >> >>Jack McLain >>Tucson, AZ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> >>To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> >>Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:20 PM >>Subject: RE: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES >> >> >> >> >>>"Orientals?" Carpets use cameras? You don't mean "Asians," do you? >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >>>[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jerry >>>Lehrer >>>Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:34 PM >>>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >>>Subject: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES >>> >>> >>>LUGers >>> >>>I have been berated off-list by quite a number of LUG members for >>>suggesting that very few of us would ever be chosen for the Hermes/ >>>Leica Focus Group. Even comments like (Focus?-Bofus?) Have some of >>>your racist friends explain that one. >>> >>>Lets face it Leica listens to a group of prestigious European and >>>Oriental photographers whose works are published as Leica users. They >>>probably laugh at most of us, who your fair-haired boy, HK, has >>>defined as a bunch of fondles and worse. >>> >>>I may be wrong, but how many of you have been chosen for the Hermes/ >>>Leica Focus Group? >>> >>>Jerry >>> >>> >>>-- >>>To unsubscribe, see >>>http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html >>> >>>-- >>>To unsubscribe, see >>>http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html >>> >>> >>-- >>To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html >> >> > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html