Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/09/21

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Subject: RE: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES
From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:32:34 -0400

Actually, no, Jack - It's hardly new. I first heard it about a decade
ago when an Asian student in a class at Harvard Medical School dropped
it on a prof who used "Orientals?" I wonder, would you say the same
thing about the use of blacks or African Americans in place of n*****?
Or Jews, rather than k****? Or how about Irish, rather than h****? As
you well know, the term harks back to the days when the sun never set on
the British Empire. Why does using the factually correct term bother
you? Can you show me a modern map of the world with the term "Orient" on
it? Just wondering.

B. D.
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jack
McLain
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:20 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES


oh... how darlingly PC

I do hope you are only busting chops here

Jack McLain
Tucson, AZ

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES


> "Orientals?" Carpets use cameras? You don't mean "Asians," do you?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jerry 
> Lehrer
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES
> 
> 
> LUGers
> 
> I have been berated off-list by quite a number of LUG members for 
> suggesting that very few of us would ever be chosen for the Hermes/ 
> Leica Focus Group. Even comments like (Focus?-Bofus?) Have some of 
> your racist friends explain that one.
> 
> Lets face it Leica listens to a group of prestigious European and 
> Oriental photographers whose works are published as Leica users. They 
> probably laugh at most of us, who your fair-haired boy, HK, has 
> defined as a bunch of fondles and worse.
> 
> I may be wrong, but how many of you have been chosen for the Hermes/ 
> Leica Focus Group?
> 
> Jerry
> 
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