Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/08/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]BD: Sorry, but my ISP disappeared for a while so I couldn't respond. Have a good trip, and get lots of great shots! Ted - ----- Original Message ----- From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: No digital comments? > I understand Ted. This is not only a transitional period in the history > of photography, it is a difficult time for those, like you and I, who > have grown up with film, and see its use in decline. While I may write > about digital, and post some digital images, I am still shooting film - > I leave tomorrow morning for a family shoot with nothing but Tri-X, > Acros, my Ms and my Nikons -and what I seek in digital is the look of > black and white film. I have little doubt that the discussion of things > Leica will continue to dominate this list. > > B. D. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Ted Bayer > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:38 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: No digital comments? > > > BD: > > I simply mean what I say - I am on the LUG to read about, learn about, > discuss and view Leica and Leica-related cameras, lenses, photos, > whatever. If someone wants to discuss the Oly 5050, the Canon or Nikon > whatever, let them do that on the realted list. If I wish to know about > them, I will go there. And I do from time to time. > > My concern is, and I think from what I am reading it is also the concern > of others on this list, we are seeing more and more discussions - > especially about digital - that have nothing to do with Leica. And that > may, in the end, drive some folks from the list. I may be wrong. > > Ted > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:45 PM > Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: No digital comments? > > > > Ted - Does that mean that you do not look at books of photographs by > > world-renowned photographers who do not use Leicas? And does it mean > > that you don't go to galleries and museums to look at photographs > > unless they were shot with Leicas? > > > > Don't you understand, Ted, that there are as many crappy photos taken > > with Leicas, by inept photographers, as there are crappy photographs > > taken with any other kind of camera? And don't you understand that > > there are far more outstanding photographs taken with non-Leicas than > > there are outstanding photographs taken with Leicas - for the simple > > reason that there are not many people using Leicas any more? > > > > As I have said, I use Leicas and am interested in discussing them. But > > > the day that I become such a brandaphile that I can say that I "don't > > really have any interest in what anyone takes with digital non-Leica > > or non-Leica related cameras" is the day that I walk away from > > photography > > - because it will be obvious to me, if to no one else, that what I am > > interested in is a label, not a art. > > > > But if it will make those of you who feel the way Ted does any > > happier, from now on when I post images I'll label them all as Leica > > shots. After all, there is no chance in hell that you can tell the > > difference at 72 dpi and then you'll be happy because you'll be > > looking at Leica shots. > > > > And btw - I do shoot some color negative film in my Leicas, so the > > fact that I post a color image does NOT mean that it's digital. :-) > > > > B. D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Ted > > Bayer > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:28 PM > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: No digital comments? > > > > > > Well, BD, Tilley hats and single malt Scotch just sort of fall into > > the chatter on this list - has been that way every since I joined. > > Watches and fountain pens, cookware and motorcycles, etc., etc., > > things like those come and go and I suppose it will always be that > > way. I had better leave women out of that mix - I would be in trouble > > > either way I went. ;-) > > > > Digital this and that is another matter. I don't really have any > > interest in what anyone takes with digital non-Leica or non-Leica > > related cameras. And IMHO does not belong on this list. Take it to > > the Canon or Nikon or whatever list. > > > > On the other hand, I love to see the pictures Graham and Sonny takes > > with their Leica-related Panasonics. I look forward to seeing them. > > Others, like Tina, who use the Digilux 1, have also posted some > > excellent photos. And I welcome her 10D photos taken with Leica > > lenses. All of these fine folks have, from time to time, made comments > > > or answered questions about their digital equipment which is most > > helpful. > > > > The recent ad nauseam discussion by br about his mighty Oly 5050 > > became almost too much, and drew some strong comments from at least > > one of the best of the best on this list. I for one thought those > > comments were right on the mark. > > > > Also, if someone wishes to post a PAW taken with another camera, from > > what I understand (and I hope I understand correctly), that is within > > the rules, and that's fine. Some interesting PAWs have been taken > > with many types of cameras. > > > > As for having discussed everything there is to discuss about Leica > > cameras and lenses - film or digital - on this list, well, that is > > your opinion and I know you will stick with it. I'm not so sure. > > Digital is moving into Leica territory - albeit slowly - and will > > garner a lot more attention over the next year or two. Sandwiched in > > there somewhere may be some other interesting developments in Leica > > film cameras and lenses. And there are always people new to Leica > > joining the list who have questions (yes, I know, they have been > > answered 10-to-the-1000th time! ) about their new equipment - and they > > > should receive an answer to help them. > > > > About this list falling on hard times or dying out - I don't think so. > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:05 PM > > Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: No digital comments? > > > > > > > So I take it then that all the blather about Tilley hats, single > > > malt Scotch, motorcycles, cars, women, cookware, fountain pens, > > > watches, etc. etc. etc. should also be taken to their respective > > > lists? Damn! What do you want here - three posts a day asking about > > > a NOOKIE? > > > > > > Face it;there's just so much to say about a single brand of camera - > > > > and all of it has been said here about 10-to-the-1000th time! :-) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Ted > > > Bayer > > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:55 PM > > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: No digital comments? > > > > > > > > > Now I think we are getting down to the bottom line on this thing. > > > > > > I totally agree with Mark, David, Jerry, Karen, Tina, Michael, et al > > > > - > > > > > talk all you want about Leica and Leica related cameras and lenses, > > > film and/or digital - show all the pictures you want if they are > > > taken > > > > > with that kind of equipment. That is what a Leica list is about. > > > > > > Take the rest of the stuff to their related lists. > > > > > > Ted > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "David Young" <dnr@horizon.bc.ca> > > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:22 AM > > > Subject: [Leica] Re: No digital comments? > > > > > > > > > > Tina wrote: > > > > > > > > >Can we talk about digital if we are using Leica lenses? > > > > > > > > Absitively and Posilutely! :) > > > > > > > > I don't think there's anything wrong with digital being > > > > discussed/shown here... providing it has some Leica connection. > > > > > > > > A 10D w/Leica glass would do it! :) > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > David Young, | égalité, liberté, > > > > Victoria, CANADA | fraternité et Beaujolais. > > > > > > > > Website at: www.horizon.bc.ca/~dnr > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe, see > > > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, see > > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, see > > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html