Re: [Leica] Re: No digital comments?

["Ted Bayer" <tedbayer@charter.net>]

BD:

I simply mean what I say - I am on the LUG to read about, learn about,
discuss and view Leica and Leica-related cameras, lenses, photos, whatever.
If someone wants to discuss the Oly 5050, the Canon or Nikon whatever, let
them do that on the realted list.  If I wish to know about them, I will go
there.  And I do from time to time.

My concern is, and I think from what I am reading it is also the concern of
others on this list, we are seeing more and more discussions - especially
about digital - that have nothing to do with Leica.  And that may, in the
end, drive some folks from the list.  I may be wrong.

Ted


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: No digital comments?


> Ted - Does that mean that you do not look at books of photographs by
> world-renowned photographers who do not use Leicas? And does it mean
> that you don't go to galleries and museums to look at photographs unless
> they were shot with Leicas?
>
> Don't you understand, Ted, that there are as many crappy photos taken
> with Leicas, by inept photographers, as there are crappy photographs
> taken with any other kind of camera? And don't you understand that there
> are far more outstanding photographs taken with non-Leicas than there
> are outstanding photographs taken with Leicas - for the simple reason
> that there are not many people using Leicas any more?
>
> As I have said, I use Leicas and am interested in discussing them. But
> the day that I become such a brandaphile that I can say that I "don't
> really have any interest in what anyone takes with digital non-Leica or
> non-Leica related cameras" is the day that I walk away from photography
> - because it will be obvious to me, if to no one else, that what I am
> interested in is a label, not a art.
>
> But if it will make those of you who feel the way Ted does any happier,
> from now on when I post images I'll label them all as Leica shots. After
> all, there is no chance in hell that you can tell the difference at 72
> dpi and then you'll be happy because you'll be looking at Leica shots.
>
> And btw - I do shoot some color negative film in my Leicas, so the fact
> that I post a color image does NOT mean that it's digital. :-)
>
> B. D.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Ted Bayer
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:28 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: No digital comments?
>
>
> Well, BD, Tilley hats and single malt Scotch just sort of fall into the
> chatter on this list - has been that way every since I joined.  Watches
> and fountain pens, cookware and motorcycles, etc., etc.,  things like
> those come and go and I suppose it will always be that way.  I had
> better leave women out of that mix - I would be in trouble either way I
> went. ;-)
>
> Digital this and that is another matter.  I don't really have any
> interest in what anyone takes with digital non-Leica or non-Leica
> related cameras. And IMHO does not belong on this list.  Take it to the
> Canon or Nikon or whatever list.
>
> On the other hand, I love to see the pictures Graham and Sonny takes
> with their Leica-related Panasonics.  I look forward to seeing them.
> Others, like Tina, who use the Digilux 1, have also posted some
> excellent photos. And I welcome her 10D photos taken with Leica lenses.
> All of these fine folks have, from time to time, made comments or
> answered questions about their digital equipment which is most helpful.
>
> The recent ad nauseam discussion by br about his mighty Oly 5050 became
> almost too much, and drew some strong comments from at least one of the
> best of the best on this list. I for one thought those comments were
> right on the mark.
>
> Also, if someone wishes to post a PAW taken with another camera, from
> what I understand (and I hope I understand correctly), that is within
> the rules, and that's fine.  Some interesting PAWs have been taken with
> many types of cameras.
>
> As for having discussed everything there is to discuss about Leica
> cameras and lenses - film or digital - on this list, well, that is your
> opinion and I know you will stick with it.  I'm not so sure.  Digital is
> moving into Leica territory - albeit slowly - and will garner a lot more
> attention over the next year or two. Sandwiched in there somewhere may
> be some other interesting developments in Leica film cameras and lenses.
> And there are always people new to Leica joining the list who have
> questions (yes, I know, they have been answered 10-to-the-1000th time! )
> about their new equipment - and they should receive an answer to help
> them.
>
> About this list falling on hard times or dying out - I don't think so.
>
> Ted
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: No digital comments?
>
>
> > So I take it then that all the blather about Tilley hats, single malt
> > Scotch, motorcycles, cars, women, cookware, fountain pens, watches,
> > etc. etc. etc. should also be taken to their respective lists? Damn!
> > What do you want here - three posts a day asking about a NOOKIE?
> >
> > Face it;there's just so much to say about a single brand of camera -
> > and all of it has been said here about 10-to-the-1000th time! :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Ted
> > Bayer
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:55 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: No digital comments?
> >
> >
> > Now I think we are getting down to the bottom line on this thing.
> >
> > I totally agree with Mark, David, Jerry, Karen, Tina, Michael, et al -
>
> > talk all you want about Leica and Leica related cameras and lenses,
> > film and/or digital - show all the pictures you want if they are taken
>
> > with that kind of equipment.  That is what a Leica list is about.
> >
> > Take the rest of the stuff to their related lists.
> >
> > Ted
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Young" <dnr@horizon.bc.ca>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:22 AM
> > Subject: [Leica] Re: No digital comments?
> >
> >
> > > Tina wrote:
> > >
> > > >Can we talk about digital if we are using Leica lenses?
> > >
> > > Absitively and Posilutely! :)
> > >
> > > I don't think there's anything wrong with digital being
> > > discussed/shown here... providing it has some Leica connection.
> > >
> > > A 10D w/Leica glass would do it! :)
> > > ----------
> > >
> > > David Young,     | égalité, liberté,
> > > Victoria, CANADA | fraternité et Beaujolais.
> > >
> > > Website at: www.horizon.bc.ca/~dnr
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