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Subject: Re: [Leica] Fuji Frontier 4R prints lose detail that is in the negatives?
From: "\(SonC\) Sonny Carter" <sonc@sonc.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:23:17 -0500
References: <200307022252.PAA27843@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> <132f01c34230$47b05df0$e9df7d80@KRIEGERLPT> <3F05901A.7133C5D7@transbay.net>

Rich Lahrson sez:        I guess an image like this would become total mush
when scanned,
> and attempting to read the writing.
>
Gee Rich,

Not trying to be contentious, but I don't know how you could "guess" the
results of an experiment like that.  Actually scanning it, or taking it to a
Fuji Frontier printer  might give an inexpensive answer to the question.

SonC


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From: "tripspud" <tripspud@transbay.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Fuji Frontier 4R prints lose detail that is in the
negatives?


> Hi Martin,
>
>        I'll comment here, since all my prints in the darkroom so far have
> been 4x6 prints from 35mm black and white negatives in the wet
> darkroom.
>
>        One image is of an historic building and in front is a plaque
explaining
> about the building.  The writing on the plaque is unreadable in the 4x
> enlargement without a magnifying glass. With a 4x or 7x lupe, it's
> possible to just barely read the plaque, so the limits of practical
> resolution has been reached (Agfapan 100, 35mm lens handheld
> in bright light, careful focus on the sign at f/8.
>
>        I guess an image like this would become total mush when scanned,
> and attempting to read the writing.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rich Lahrson
> Berkeley, California
> tripspud@transbay.net
>
> Martin Krieger wrote:
>
> > I would expect that a 4x print in a reasonable enlarger would retain all
the
> > detail visible in the negative with a 10x magnifier and make that detail
> > easier to see. Yet when I examine 4x prints made in a Fuji Frontier
digital
> > system, I seem to be losing detail. I gather that the Frontier digitizes
the
> > negative and then prints with a laser onto ordinary photographic paper.
I
> > imagine that the scan is insufficiently fine to pick up all the detail
in
> > the negative, just enough so that when the print is examined with the
bare
> > eye it appears as sharp as one might hope. (Perhaps also, electronic
> > manipulation, say sharpening, loses some detail?) Hence the 4R print,
> > examined with a loupe, is inadequate.
> >
> > If I understand all of this correctly, optical enlargement with a decent
> > enlarger, is "inefficient." Lots more detail is retained in the print
than
> > can be seen with the naked eye. Digital scanning and enlargement can be
more
> > "efficient," putting down just enough detail so that the image feels
sharp
> > and complete with the naked eye. This is not necessary, in that a
digital
> > system could have all the detail available in the negative, and print it
out
> > (at say a real 1000dpi).
> >
> > Am I right in my understanding?
> >
> > MK
> >
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