Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/05/12

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Photoshop dilemma
From: "B. D. Colen" <>
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:51:33 -0400

We draw the line where we always drew it: the fact that technology now
allows us to intentionally alter photographs far more easilly and in ways we
could never have altered them before does not give us justification to do

B. D.

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[]On Behalf Of Aram
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Photoshop dilemma

Hi Ted.

I don't think anyone views a painting with the expectation that it
accurately reflects reality.  I do think that most people view a photography
with that expectation.  Perhaps it is because we all have those experiences
with our work.  When we draw/paint, most of us could never acheive a
reflection of reality, so we don't expect it.  If we take a snapshot we do
expect a reflection of reality.

Where do we draw the line?  It is getting harder and harder to decide.


> Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 16:37:56 -0700
> From: "Ted Bayer" <>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Photoshop dilemma
> Message-ID: <01c801c1f944$fe371680$74a242cf@bayeramd>
> References: <>
> This is an interesting question - not just reserved for photographs.
> For example, I paint landscapes.  Do I paint everything I see in the
> scene?  Of course not.  I try to paint the subject as accurately as I
> can, but I may leave out something that might detract from it.  I
> may alter some of the colors, or perhaps feather out edges to make an
> object appear less sharp - sort of the same thing Sonny did with the
> background in this photograph (or rendition, whichever you prefer).

> If every picture or painting was painstakingly rendered to portray the
> subject exactly as it is, then, IMHO, we would be living in a very dull
> world indeed.
> Of course that doesn't answer the question of when is a photograph not a
> photograph.
> Perhaps that depends upon what the meaning of is is.
> Ted in Olalla

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