Re: [Leica] Is it now a ? for Ted

[Ted Grant <tedgrant@shaw.ca>]

Don Dory wrote:
>> "Is it now a ? for Ted?"

Hi Don,
Not sure whether this was a good or bad question?

However, posting PAW images are not a question for me at all, as some of you
have gained and others have got mad at me for my... what I usually try to
do.... be helpful. ;-) Even though I may seem snarky at times it's quite
simple really, photography has been and still is my life. I have always
taken it as a calling, therefore it has a greater than emotional attachment
to it, certainly beyond what many others have. So be it.  That's me and my
emotions about the most important thing in my life.

And if you don't think that's the case, ask my wife of 53 years who started
it all, and she'll give you an earful of all the times "photography has been
the most important thing in my life!" Do you have a couple of days? ;-)

So it infuriates me when I see the same stupid mistakes made over and over
again by people who supposedly read, and one would think learn, while
looking at the LUG and absorbing the information given by many experienced
members.

For each and everyone of us, certainly me included, I started as the rankest
of amateurs and learned by reading and doing, trying what was published in
the great "photo magazines of 50 plus years ago."

Actually my whole career has been one of, "we learn by doing!" And that
still continues today after a 50 year published life. Why not? I see and
read things here that tweak my imagination and I make comments to myself,
"damn that's a good idea!"

And that gets tried immediately if time permits, and or it gets filed away
for future attempts. We as photographers regardless of experience, are
always on a learning curve and if one doesn't think they are, then may I
suggest go find something else!

There isn't any question being a member here for close to 5? years and seen
the changes and volumes of traffic fluctuate on as many topics outside of
Leica as in the whole wide world, there isn't any question, the beginning of
2002 has seen an incredible increase beyond ones imagination due to the PAW
and it's responses.

I see the PAW topic as a great learning opportunity for all, but somehow,
and I know Brian will have a solution for the traffic shortly. Until that
happens, unless one has without question absolutely "how to information"
good, bad or ugly. It should be given with a reason beyond... "gee I like
this!"  Please!

Look nothing wrong with that, but if that's your comment then post it
private, isn't that a reasonable thing to do?  However, if you have some
absolutely essential information then please try and keep it short and if
someone ahead of you has already said exactly what you're about to
post............ don't post the same thing. Isn't that a reasonable request?

I'm not sure Don if this answers what I think you posted, but at the moment
it's the best I can do with Sandy in the Great White North, "getting her
nose frozen from the inside out as she breathes" ;-) I'm doing everything
and hopefully this is of some good.! :-(

jeeeeeeeesh if it isn't, please don't tell me! Now back to scanning 180 11 X
14 prints! That's another story and leica experience to follow.
ted











Ted Grant Photography Limited
www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Dory" <dorysrus@mindspring.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Is it now a ? for Ted


> For many of us the PAW is as much about getting better as any thing else.
> Yes, dreck gets posted, but for many starting the road away from happy
snaps
> entails many, many stupid human tricks.
>
> Many of the comments making suggestions are for making a poor shot better.
> It may still be a poor shot but it a start to seeing with a camera.  When
a
> beginning student shows you their first shots it isn't very helpful to
> wretch in the trash and say go away.  You start with what you have and
hope
> that the beginner listens and tries to see why what inspired them doesn't
> transfer to the film.
>
> It is also true that some people have any eye that a little guidance
causes
> inspiration.  Rei and Nathan are two present examples of such people.  But
> for the many more, it is a much longer road away from the dreck and into
> fair and hopefully beyond.
>
> So, the question would be, can you instigate further refinements to
> criticism so that those who listen produce passable fare instead of dreck?
>
> Thank you now for your comments previously he says lavishing praise to
> entice the victim into more work.
>
> Don Dory
> dorysrus@mindspring.com
>
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