Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/01/23

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Success crisis
From: "lea" <>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:08:15 -0600
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I like that idea, I suppose...but it is not how I interpreted Brian's
original letter. I thought he was suggesting ALL PAW notices and critiques
go to a new sub-list. Having the original announcement posts go to the LUG
and critiques go to the PAW group would be fine with me...then we would have
the flexibility to read critiques if we like.

I do second Tina's idea of a certain day for posting and replying......there
would be bugs to work out as an influx of 50+ images on a given day would
overwhelm most of us, I think and wouldn't allow much time for discussion.
That alone could solve the problem.

I agree most with whomever wrote that they like to see the pictures and
delete the critiques. That is mostly what I do...

Another idea would be for PAWers to put their email address on their site so
someone compelled to do so could write directly to them and avoid having a
critique go to the entire list........that would slow down a lot of traffic
but might also rid us of the 'group discussion' aspect of this whole

One little many fixes.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg J. Lorenzo" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Success crisis

: Hi Lea,
: When I read your fist two lines I rather interpret then as a argument in
: favour of posting PAW notices on the LUG and PAW critiques on a separate
: PAW Critique List. Brian's original note suggested the large increase in
: PAW critiques is overwhelming the list and that a critique list may be
: necessary.
: Why not continue subscribing to the LUG (which will include PAW
: announcements) and not subscribe to the PAW Critique list?
: Regards,
: Greg
: lea wrote:
: >I'm not at all interested in a critique sub-list for PAW. For me, the
: >purpose of the PAW is not in's simply for showing and
: >looking. Often I see images in the various PAWs that warrent comment of
: >nature. Many do not. If I feel particularly moved by an image I will
: >comment, otherwise I assume the shooter will continue photographing,
: >continue posting and the world will continue spinning...whether I comment
: >not.
: >
: >I think by the time we purchase Leicas, build our darkrooms, calibrate
: >systems, process our own film or find a decent lab, build a web site,
: >and post images we're deep enough into it to have a pretty good idea if
: >image is stong or not. I'm certainly not qualified to be a critiquer
: >than to say what I like and don't like. And I pretty much assume any
: >photographer can look at his/her work and see where it is strong and
: >it is weak long before I point it out to them. Maybe I am incorrect in
: >that...but I can say it is true for me of my own work.
: >
: >So...if the PAW is to become a critique-based project sub list, I'm not
: >interested. The spirit of the project, as I understood it, was simply to
: >show off the fact that our high-end gear was actually seeing
: >Lea
: >
: >----- Original Message -----
: >From: "Brian Reid" <>
: >To: <>
: >Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:21 PM
: >Subject: [Leica] Success crisis
: >
: >
: >: The Picture A Week movement, bravely started by Kyle Cassidy last year,
: >: an amazing success. I am absolutely thrilled that so many people are
: >: actually taking pictures with their Leicas.
: >:
: >: It does, though, present for the LUG what we in the computer industry
: >: a "success crisis". The traffic on the LUG has increased dramatically
: >since
: >: so many people jumped in to PAW. I can't possibly object; this is what
: >it's
: >: all about, but I do have to find a way to focus the PAW traffic
: >:
: >: I have a few ideas. Like so many other ideas, they involve programming
: >: computers to do things somewhat differently. In the meantime, how would
: >: people feel about a sub-list whose entire purpose was PAW critiques.
: >: not proposing this as a long-term solution, but it might ameliorate
: >: in the short term.
: >:
: >: Brian Reid
: >: LUG Barkeeper
: >:
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