Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/01/23

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Success crisis Brian Please Clarify
From: "Greg J. Lorenzo" <gregj.lorenzo@shaw.ca>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:14:53 -0700
References: <12188195.1011734471@cambric.reid.org> <02eb01c1a420$cdcc1fa0$485e1c41@kc.rr.com> <3C4EE416.8080405@shaw.ca> <040301c1a430$8db1a6a0$485e1c41@kc.rr.com>

Perhaps Brian would clarify when he gets a moment.

Regards,

Greg

lea wrote:

>I like that idea, I suppose...but it is not how I interpreted Brian's
>original letter. I thought he was suggesting ALL PAW notices and critiques
>go to a new sub-list. Having the original announcement posts go to the LUG
>and critiques go to the PAW group would be fine with me...then we would have
>the flexibility to read critiques if we like.
>
>I do second Tina's idea of a certain day for posting and replying......there
>would be bugs to work out as an influx of 50+ images on a given day would
>overwhelm most of us, I think and wouldn't allow much time for discussion.
>That alone could solve the problem.
>
>I agree most with whomever wrote that they like to see the pictures and
>delete the critiques. That is mostly what I do...
>
>Another idea would be for PAWers to put their email address on their site so
>someone compelled to do so could write directly to them and avoid having a
>critique go to the entire list........that would slow down a lot of traffic
>but might also rid us of the 'group discussion' aspect of this whole
>project.
>
>One little problem...........so many fixes.
>Lea
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Greg J. Lorenzo" <gregj.lorenzo@shaw.ca>
>To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Success crisis
>
>
>: Hi Lea,
>:
>: When I read your fist two lines I rather interpret then as a argument in
>: favour of posting PAW notices on the LUG and PAW critiques on a separate
>: PAW Critique List. Brian's original note suggested the large increase in
>: PAW critiques is overwhelming the list and that a critique list may be
>: necessary.
>:
>: Why not continue subscribing to the LUG (which will include PAW
>: announcements) and not subscribe to the PAW Critique list?
>:
>: Regards,
>:
>: Greg
>:
>: lea wrote:
>:
>: >I'm not at all interested in a critique sub-list for PAW. For me, the
>: >purpose of the PAW is not in critiquing...it's simply for showing and
>: >looking. Often I see images in the various PAWs that warrent comment of
>some
>: >nature. Many do not. If I feel particularly moved by an image I will
>: >comment, otherwise I assume the shooter will continue photographing,
>: >continue posting and the world will continue spinning...whether I comment
>or
>: >not.
>: >
>: >I think by the time we purchase Leicas, build our darkrooms, calibrate
>our
>: >systems, process our own film or find a decent lab, build a web site,
>scan
>: >and post images we're deep enough into it to have a pretty good idea if
>an
>: >image is stong or not. I'm certainly not qualified to be a critiquer
>other
>: >than to say what I like and don't like. And I pretty much assume any
>: >photographer can look at his/her work and see where it is strong and
>where
>: >it is weak long before I point it out to them. Maybe I am incorrect in
>: >that...but I can say it is true for me of my own work.
>: >
>: >So...if the PAW is to become a critique-based project sub list, I'm not
>: >interested. The spirit of the project, as I understood it, was simply to
>: >show off the fact that our high-end gear was actually seeing
>film...........
>: >Lea
>: >
>: >----- Original Message -----
>: >From: "Brian Reid" <reid@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>: >To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>: >Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:21 PM
>: >Subject: [Leica] Success crisis
>: >
>: >
>: >: The Picture A Week movement, bravely started by Kyle Cassidy last year,
>is
>: >: an amazing success. I am absolutely thrilled that so many people are
>: >: actually taking pictures with their Leicas.
>: >:
>: >: It does, though, present for the LUG what we in the computer industry
>call
>: >: a "success crisis". The traffic on the LUG has increased dramatically
>: >since
>: >: so many people jumped in to PAW. I can't possibly object; this is what
>: >it's
>: >: all about, but I do have to find a way to focus the PAW traffic
>somehow.
>: >:
>: >: I have a few ideas. Like so many other ideas, they involve programming
>: >: computers to do things somewhat differently. In the meantime, how would
>: >: people feel about a sub-list whose entire purpose was PAW critiques.
>I'm
>: >: not proposing this as a long-term solution, but it might ameliorate
>things
>: >: in the short term.
>: >:
>: >: Brian Reid
>: >: LUG Barkeeper
>: >:
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>: >:
>: >
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