Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/01/23

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Success crisis
From: "Greg J. Lorenzo" <>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:25:58 -0700
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Hi Lea,

When I read your fist two lines I rather interpret then as a argument in 
favour of posting PAW notices on the LUG and PAW critiques on a separate 
PAW Critique List. Brian's original note suggested the large increase in 
PAW critiques is overwhelming the list and that a critique list may be 

Why not continue subscribing to the LUG (which will include PAW 
announcements) and not subscribe to the PAW Critique list?



lea wrote:

>I'm not at all interested in a critique sub-list for PAW. For me, the
>purpose of the PAW is not in's simply for showing and
>looking. Often I see images in the various PAWs that warrent comment of some
>nature. Many do not. If I feel particularly moved by an image I will
>comment, otherwise I assume the shooter will continue photographing,
>continue posting and the world will continue spinning...whether I comment or
>I think by the time we purchase Leicas, build our darkrooms, calibrate our
>systems, process our own film or find a decent lab, build a web site, scan
>and post images we're deep enough into it to have a pretty good idea if an
>image is stong or not. I'm certainly not qualified to be a critiquer other
>than to say what I like and don't like. And I pretty much assume any
>photographer can look at his/her work and see where it is strong and where
>it is weak long before I point it out to them. Maybe I am incorrect in
>that...but I can say it is true for me of my own work.
>So...if the PAW is to become a critique-based project sub list, I'm not
>interested. The spirit of the project, as I understood it, was simply to
>show off the fact that our high-end gear was actually seeing film...........
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brian Reid" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:21 PM
>Subject: [Leica] Success crisis
>: The Picture A Week movement, bravely started by Kyle Cassidy last year, is
>: an amazing success. I am absolutely thrilled that so many people are
>: actually taking pictures with their Leicas.
>: It does, though, present for the LUG what we in the computer industry call
>: a "success crisis". The traffic on the LUG has increased dramatically
>: so many people jumped in to PAW. I can't possibly object; this is what
>: all about, but I do have to find a way to focus the PAW traffic somehow.
>: I have a few ideas. Like so many other ideas, they involve programming
>: computers to do things somewhat differently. In the meantime, how would
>: people feel about a sub-list whose entire purpose was PAW critiques. I'm
>: not proposing this as a long-term solution, but it might ameliorate things
>: in the short term.
>: Brian Reid
>: LUG Barkeeper
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