Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/01/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]So many developers, so little time! Seriously though I have a couple that work well but need less time than the instruction sheets recommend. The distilled water may be good to try but my guess, based on my results with other films, is that it won't make a huge difference. Mike D - ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJR" <don.ro@verizon.net> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [Leica] More Efke KB 25 in D23 > Why not try T.E.C. and use distilled water at least for the developer? > On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:59:02 -0500, you wrote: > > >Bob, > > > >I am at a bit of a loss too. Water is one possible explanation since ours > >is pretty hard. We are on a private well so its straight out of the ground. > >For most films the development times work out to be about 10% less than > >recommended. The Efke for some reason gets very contrasty and needs 30-50% > >less with a couple of developers. I just tried some Beutler 105 and used > >the time for Neofin Blue. Same result, unprintable on #1. Fortunately > >those were just tests. That developer should work with shorter times. > > > >With the D-23 1:1 for 4 min with a 3 min. borax post-bath I'm getting about > >an EI of 16. The tones are very nice. Sharpness may be suffering as Mark > >said but its hard to tell with a Summitar hand-held. Perversely I use my > >better glass for high-speed film. > > > >Shorter exposures are an option but I hate to lose the shadow detail or have > >the highlights block up if I overexpose. > > > >I'm wondering if there is some difference between the old and new batches. > > > >Mike D > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Robert Marvin" <marvbej@earthlink.net> > >To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > >Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:58 PM > >Subject: [Leica] More Efke KB 25 in D23 > > > > > > > >-- > >Mike-- > > > >Odd that your results were so different from mine--what e.i. were you > >using? I'm sure you're right that it could be some difference in > >technique--perhaps we meter very differently. OTOH, could it be the > >water? I live in Brooklyn--N.Y.C. water is very soft--low mineral > >content. I know I SHOULD use distilled water, but I'm lazy and AFAIK > >have managed to avoid major problems with tap water. Hard tap water > >may give very different results. > > > >Bob Marvin > >____________________________________________________________________ > >From: "Mike Durling" <durling@widomaker.com> > >Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Efke KB 25 in D23 > >Message-ID: <015201c1965d$cf327540$a8f9f6ce@alice> > >References: <200201050623.WAA16833@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > ><a05100301b85ceee21b56@[165.247.58.125]> > > > >I got too much contrast with D23 at 1:1 for 7 minutes. I was printing on a > >1 1/2 filter. 9 minutes was off the chart. I'm currently using the 1:1 for > >4 minutes followed by a 3 min borax bath. The tones are very nice but I'm > >running at EI 16. Other films in this same soup seem to need a lot more > >time. > > > >I suspect our differences could be due to technique. Some like Tri-X at > >800. That works but you have to be careful not to overexpose! > > > >Mike D > > > >- ----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Robert Marvin" <marvbej@earthlink.net> > >To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > >Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:17 PM > >Subject: [Leica] Re: Efke KB 25 in D23 > > > > > > > >- -- > >I develop KB 25 for 7 1/4 min. in straight D23 (@ 68?F,agitating for > >10 sec./min.in a ss tank). This is aprox. 20% more than the time > >recommended in the Massive Dev Chart for D76 and the Efke data sheet > >(packed with 100' bulk rolls) for ID11. Both sources recommend e.i. > >50--1/3rd stop faster works better for me. I don't find it contrasty > >at all. FWIW, I usually use anywhere from a 2 1/2 to a 3 1/2 Ilford > >filter with Arista Premium RC/VC (aka Ilford Multigrade IV) > >in a Valloy II . > > > >As to sources, I have a few 100' rolls in my freezer, purchased from > >Freestyle > >right after I learned they had dropped it from their catalogue ( It's > >worth phoning--they might still have some left). When my stash runs > >out, I guess I'll try Photoimpex. > > > >Bob Marvin > > > >From: "Mike Durling" <durling@widomaker.com> > >Subject: Re: [Leica] If you had only one B&W film/developer combo, > >which would it be? > >Message-ID: <007301c19597$07d849a0$69f9f6ce@alice> > >References: <200201041526.HAA27179@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > ><a05100300b85bd0818307@[165.247.38.122]> > > > >I agree with the film/developer combo but I find it way too contrasty when > >pushed that fast. How long do you develop in D-23 and do you use it > >undiluted? > >-- > >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html