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Subject: Re: [Leica] More Efke KB 25 in D23
From: DJR <don.ro@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:33:43 -0600
References: <200201061457.GAA20678@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> <a05100301b85e7704fece@[165.247.58.125]> <007201c1972f$a60b4ca0$5db360d1@alice> <fvai3u0pd1ukuieromhodadoltcnhmlafc@4ax.com> <00f001c197f7$c04ef1c0$8df9f6ce@alice>

I was always looking for consistency and distilled water removed the
inconsistent city tap water factor from the mix.  I noticed little
things would often add up to a considerable difference in the end
results.  

Don R.
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:51:26 -0500, you wrote:

>So many developers, so little time!  Seriously though I have a couple that
>work well but need less time than the instruction sheets recommend.  The
>distilled water may be good to try but my guess, based on my results with
>other films,  is that it won't make a huge difference.
>
>Mike D
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "DJR" <don.ro@verizon.net>
>To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [Leica] More Efke KB 25 in D23
>
>
>> Why not try T.E.C. and use distilled water at least for the developer?
>> On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:59:02 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> >Bob,
>> >
>> >I am at a bit of a loss too.  Water is one possible explanation since
>ours
>> >is pretty hard.  We are on a private well so its straight out of the
>ground.
>> >For most films the development times work out to be about 10% less than
>> >recommended.  The Efke for some reason gets very contrasty and needs
>30-50%
>> >less with a couple of developers.  I just tried some Beutler 105 and used
>> >the time for Neofin Blue.  Same result, unprintable on #1.  Fortunately
>> >those were just tests. That developer should work with shorter times.
>> >
>> >With the D-23 1:1 for 4 min with a 3 min. borax post-bath I'm getting
>about
>> >an EI of 16.  The tones are very nice.  Sharpness may be suffering as
>Mark
>> >said but its hard to tell with a Summitar hand-held.  Perversely I use my
>> >better glass for high-speed film.
>> >
>> >Shorter exposures are an option but I hate to lose the shadow detail or
>have
>> >the highlights block up if I overexpose.
>> >
>> >I'm wondering if there is some difference between the old and new
>batches.
>> >
>> >Mike D
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Robert Marvin" <marvbej@earthlink.net>
>> >To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>> >Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:58 PM
>> >Subject: [Leica] More Efke KB 25 in D23
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Mike--
>> >
>> >Odd that your results were so different from mine--what e.i. were you
>> >using? I'm sure you're right that it could be some difference in
>> >technique--perhaps we meter very differently. OTOH, could it be the
>> >water? I live in Brooklyn--N.Y.C. water is very soft--low mineral
>> >content. I know I SHOULD use distilled water, but I'm lazy and AFAIK
>> >have managed to avoid major problems with tap water. Hard tap water
>> >may give very different results.
>> >
>> >Bob Marvin
>> >____________________________________________________________________
>> >From: "Mike Durling" <durling@widomaker.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Efke KB 25 in D23
>> >Message-ID: <015201c1965d$cf327540$a8f9f6ce@alice>
>> >References: <200201050623.WAA16833@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>> ><a05100301b85ceee21b56@[165.247.58.125]>
>> >
>> >I got too much contrast with D23 at 1:1 for 7 minutes.  I was printing on
>a
>> >1 1/2 filter.  9 minutes was off the chart.  I'm currently using the 1:1
>for
>> >4 minutes followed by a 3 min borax bath.  The tones are very nice but
>I'm
>> >running at EI 16.  Other films in this same soup seem to need a lot more
>> >time.
>> >
>> >I suspect our differences could be due to technique.  Some like Tri-X at
>> >800.  That works but you have to be careful not to overexpose!
>> >
>> >Mike D
>> >
>> >- ----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Robert Marvin" <marvbej@earthlink.net>
>> >To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>> >Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:17 PM
>> >Subject: [Leica] Re: Efke KB 25 in D23
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >- --
>> >I develop KB 25 for 7 1/4 min. in straight D23 (@ 68?F,agitating for
>> >10 sec./min.in a ss tank). This is aprox. 20% more than the time
>> >recommended in the Massive Dev Chart for D76 and the Efke data sheet
>> >(packed with 100' bulk rolls) for ID11. Both sources recommend e.i.
>> >50--1/3rd stop faster works better for me. I don't find it contrasty
>> >at all. FWIW, I usually use anywhere from a 2 1/2 to a 3 1/2  Ilford
>> >filter with Arista Premium RC/VC (aka Ilford Multigrade IV)
>> >in a Valloy II .
>> >
>> >As to sources, I have a few 100' rolls in my freezer, purchased from
>> >Freestyle
>> >right after I learned they had dropped it from their catalogue ( It's
>> >worth phoning--they might still have some left). When my stash runs
>> >out, I guess I'll try Photoimpex.
>> >
>> >Bob Marvin
>> >
>> >From: "Mike Durling" <durling@widomaker.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [Leica] If you had only one B&W film/developer combo,
>> >which would it be?
>> >Message-ID: <007301c19597$07d849a0$69f9f6ce@alice>
>> >References: <200201041526.HAA27179@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>> ><a05100300b85bd0818307@[165.247.38.122]>
>> >
>> >I agree with the film/developer combo but I find it way too contrasty
>when
>> >pushed that fast.  How long do you develop in D-23 and do you use it
>> >undiluted?
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