Re: [Leica] Jim's Brickbats was: I commend to your attention

[Ted Grant <tedgrant@shaw.ca>]

Hey folks...

It seems this topic has gotten away from us... Truth is, this conversation
would have been best set around a large table with a few pitchers of beer!
As Sandy has reminded me - the purpose of the PAW project is to get people
using their Leicas and to learn from the experience! Sometimes we
professionals seem a little harsh, but remember we began as amateurs also.
If my comments have been out of line - my apologies! My intentions are
always good, sometimes they come across that I'm a mean ass SOB!!! :-)

keep shooting, folks and if ya don't like my comments - ignore them :-)
ted


Ted Grant Photography Limited
www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "SonC (Sonny Carter)" <sonc@sonc.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:07 AM
Subject: [Leica] Jim's Brickbats was: I commend to your attention


> Steve and Brian,
>
> I was at first miffed about Jim Brick's remarks but when he compared
> the PAW project to first one, then to another professional
> photographer who's working on assignment,  I realized that he just
> doesn't get it.
>
> The people who shoot PAW are, (I think) people who also have other
> jobs, or commitments, not professionals. They scrimp for their
> cameras,  they spend money and time shooting scanning and posting, for
> the love of the craft.
>
> Brick sez that our Nepali vacation guy's work "is every bit as good as
> 95% of PAWs . . ." then says,  "I have generally stopped looking at
> web pictures because unless they were
> done at a very high level (good scanner/good Photoshop/good web
> layout/good...) even great photographers look lousy."
>
> So, if he has generally stopped looking, how does he know?  And if he
> does look, and "bites his tongue," instead of commenting, why bother
> to comment now on the general state of the PAW in favor of some
> vacation photographs?  There are a number of people who comment, not
> always favorably on these pictures, but the comments are always
> welcome.  Sure, it feels good when the shot is commended, but if
> there's honest criticism, then it helps us grow as photographers.
>
> And I for one would much rather look at someone's best effort for a
> week than read pages and pages of opinions on the color of the metric
> distance scale on a lens.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sonny
> http://www.sonc.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian McCarthy" <straightline@btinternet.com>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: I commend to your attention
>
>
> > > Jim Brick tells us what he thinks:
> > >
> > > > Well... my opinion is that these photographs are every bit as
> > > good as 95%
> > > > of the PAW prints that are deluged on us weekly.
> > >
> > > > Every time I look at the
> > > > PAW's, the "my web site is finally up", the "please look &
> > > comment", etc...
> > > > I have to bite my tongue.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I wonder if I should stop taking pictures, based on the above
> comment.
> > >
> > > sl
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Yes, it does make you think doesn't it!? But then, some of the
> people who
> > make this kind of remark don't seem to be sharing their photos on
> the same
> > basis. The PAW project is not about being a genius and producing
> 'yet
> > another masterpiece' every week - it's about trying and doing your
> best at
> > that time (well it is to me anyway). We do our best with what the
> week
> > offers us and present it - sometimes we are pleased with what we
> present,
> > but others opinions may differ. Sometimes we feel that we are
> putting up
> > something that maybe is not so good, and opinions will still differ.
> The
> > point is that hopefully , we will learn something one way or the
> other from
> > the criticism invoked.
> >
> > I gave up announcing my PAW's on the LUG a long time ago, as I felt
> that it
> > was a waste of time, but I have maintained the project and there are
> still
> > many people around the world who give me their opinions - I find
> them most
> > useful and I have found the PAW thing a very worthwhile pursuit.
> >
> > Keep on PAWing!
> >
> > brian
> >
> > Brian McCarthy
> > brian@imagespace.co.uk
> > www.imagespace.co.uk
> >
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