Re: [Leica] Jim's Brickbats was: I commend to your attention

["SonC (Sonny Carter)" <sonc@sonc.com>]

Ted,
I don't think anyone except your dear sweet Sandy (whose work I enjoy)
has called you on the carpet for any remarks.

You've been consistently supportive of the PAW project, patting people
on their backs when deserved, and pointing out faults when you see
them.  None of us has a quarrel with honest criticism;  if we did,
we'd just show our pictures to people who gush all the time.  (Not
that I mind a little gushing from time-to-time.)

Regards,

Sonny




- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Grant" <tedgrant@shaw.ca>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Jim's Brickbats was: I commend to your attention


> Hey folks...
>
> It seems this topic has gotten away from us... Truth is, this
conversation
> would have been best set around a large table with a few pitchers of
beer!
> As Sandy has reminded me - the purpose of the PAW project is to get
people
> using their Leicas and to learn from the experience! Sometimes we
> professionals seem a little harsh, but remember we began as amateurs
also.
> If my comments have been out of line - my apologies! My intentions
are
> always good, sometimes they come across that I'm a mean ass SOB!!!
:-)
>
> keep shooting, folks and if ya don't like my comments - ignore them
:-)
> ted
>
>
> Ted Grant Photography Limited
> www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "SonC (Sonny Carter)" <sonc@sonc.com>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:07 AM
> Subject: [Leica] Jim's Brickbats was: I commend to your attention
>
>
> > Steve and Brian,
> >
> > I was at first miffed about Jim Brick's remarks but when he
compared
> > the PAW project to first one, then to another professional
> > photographer who's working on assignment,  I realized that he just
> > doesn't get it.
> >
> > The people who shoot PAW are, (I think) people who also have other
> > jobs, or commitments, not professionals. They scrimp for their
> > cameras,  they spend money and time shooting scanning and posting,
for
> > the love of the craft.
> >
> > Brick sez that our Nepali vacation guy's work "is every bit as
good as
> > 95% of PAWs . . ." then says,  "I have generally stopped looking
at
> > web pictures because unless they were
> > done at a very high level (good scanner/good Photoshop/good web
> > layout/good...) even great photographers look lousy."
> >
> > So, if he has generally stopped looking, how does he know?  And if
he
> > does look, and "bites his tongue," instead of commenting, why
bother
> > to comment now on the general state of the PAW in favor of some
> > vacation photographs?  There are a number of people who comment,
not
> > always favorably on these pictures, but the comments are always
> > welcome.  Sure, it feels good when the shot is commended, but if
> > there's honest criticism, then it helps us grow as photographers.
> >
> > And I for one would much rather look at someone's best effort for
a
> > week than read pages and pages of opinions on the color of the
metric
> > distance scale on a lens.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sonny
> > http://www.sonc.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian McCarthy" <straightline@btinternet.com>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:05 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: I commend to your attention
> >
> >
> > > > Jim Brick tells us what he thinks:
> > > >
> > > > > Well... my opinion is that these photographs are every bit
as
> > > > good as 95%
> > > > > of the PAW prints that are deluged on us weekly.
> > > >
> > > > > Every time I look at the
> > > > > PAW's, the "my web site is finally up", the "please look &
> > > > comment", etc...
> > > > > I have to bite my tongue.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if I should stop taking pictures, based on the above
> > comment.
> > > >
> > > > sl
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > Yes, it does make you think doesn't it!? But then, some of the
> > people who
> > > make this kind of remark don't seem to be sharing their photos
on
> > the same
> > > basis. The PAW project is not about being a genius and producing
> > 'yet
> > > another masterpiece' every week - it's about trying and doing
your
> > best at
> > > that time (well it is to me anyway). We do our best with what
the
> > week
> > > offers us and present it - sometimes we are pleased with what we
> > present,
> > > but others opinions may differ. Sometimes we feel that we are
> > putting up
> > > something that maybe is not so good, and opinions will still
differ.
> > The
> > > point is that hopefully , we will learn something one way or the
> > other from
> > > the criticism invoked.
> > >
> > > I gave up announcing my PAW's on the LUG a long time ago, as I
felt
> > that it
> > > was a waste of time, but I have maintained the project and there
are
> > still
> > > many people around the world who give me their opinions - I find
> > them most
> > > useful and I have found the PAW thing a very worthwhile pursuit.
> > >
> > > Keep on PAWing!
> > >
> > > brian
> > >
> > > Brian McCarthy
> > > brian@imagespace.co.uk
> > > www.imagespace.co.uk
> > >
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