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Subject: Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school OT Opinion
From: Andrew Schroter <schroter@optonline.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:21:37 -0800
References: <200111270850.AAA17568@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> <3C03B950.9966EF7E@ccs.carleton.ca>

Well, all those way out liberal P.C. Profs are going to be leaving? Yeah!!!
I'm hoping against hope that the next generation will be a more balanced
lot.
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From: "Mark Langer" <mlanger@ccs.carleton.ca>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school


> > Guy,
>
> I have to differ with you.  The Baby Boom generation that has occupied
most of the professoriate is now on the verge of retirement, and since the
education cutbacks of the 80s and early 90s
> stopped most faculty renewal in a period when the size of most university
faculty bodies actually grew smaller, there is going to be a large faculty
shortage.  The shortage of graduate students,
> according to most studies that have been done, is largely due to the
dramatically increased costs of attending graduate school, plus the fact
that PhDs salaries in the university sector have not
> kept pace with those offered by the private sector, where PhDs are in far
greater demand than ever before.  This applies not only to areas like
engineering and computer science, but even to PhDs
> in the humanities.  I have no idea where the professoriate of the future
is coming from, but if there aren't changes to the system that currently
exists, I worry about the future of higher
> education in North America.
>
> Mark
>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:35:00 -0800
> > From: Guy Bennett <gbennett@lainet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school.
> > Message-ID: <v04011705b8288e8a2af7@[66.81.51.16]>
> > References: <v04011703b828452046ad@[66.81.51.16]>
> >
> > >Another factor is that it is pretty hard, at least in my neck of the
woods,
> > >not to bean a couple of humanities PhD graduates with any randomly
thrown
> > >brick. No offence but they are rather thick on the ground. Surprised
there
> > >has not been some sort of mandatory cull yet.[snip]
> > >John Collier
> >
> > The same is true where I'm from and - I suspect - in the states in
general
> > and much of Europe as well.
> >
> > Gotta say that I don't think it will be necessary to discourage folks
from
> > pursuing advanced degrees in the humanities in the future. The PhD glut
of
> > the '80s and '90s coupled with a serious lack of full-time jobs for
about
> > ten years now (it's just cheaper to hire twice the number of
part-timers)
> > has probably done more to make young students think twice about studying
> > something as frivolous as philosophy, art or literature than any amount
of
> > counseling I could imagine...
> >
> > Guy
>
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