Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/03/16[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]
Marc James Small wrote: > > At 10:17 AM 3/16/2001 -0800, Ted Grant wrote: > >>>>>There IS, of course, the intellectually dishonest Cosina management > >> and, I suppose, a Cosina board room.<<<< > > > >I wondered why you made this comment? Not a chain pull, but an honest > >question as I really don't understand. > > If Cosina had one ounce of honesty, they would list their goods as being > made by Cosina and not by "Voigtländer". The products are NOT made by > Voigtländer, a defunct German company. They are made by Cosina. Why is > Cosina so afeared of using their own name on their own products? > > This is a LEICA Users' Group. I was unaware I belonged to a COSINA Users' > Group. I do belong to several Lists which involve the real Voigtlander > name and heritage, and am an early member of the Voigtländer Verein, the > Mark organization. They have bought the rights to the name, get over it... No, it is not the original German company, who cares? The same thing has happened to numerous companies' names all in the name of capitalism. The old company, as good as the equipment may have been. is no more, I would think that keeping the name alive and in the lexicon of younger photographers should be worth something to an historian... But, again, this is the LEICA Users' Group, and let it > rest their. The C/V equipment certainly belongs here... Would you ban all talk of Tokina on a Nikon list? Of course not... if we can use it on a Leica we should talk about it here. Besides, Leica's new equipment offerings are few and far between, this is just the newest stuff to talk about right now, it'll blow over soon... Yes this is the Leica users group, and sometimes we *use* things other than Leica on or with our camera... if want to join a collector's group I believe Mr. Gandy is starting one!:-) > > I recognize that Stephen Gandy, as a vendor, has a vested fiscal interest > in this issue, and that Tom Abrahamson appears to have the same (note: he > has NOT denied that he receives goodies or money or favors from Cosina!). Please... Does this make them a less good source of info? Sure I have to keep in mind that Gandy sells stuff, but I also have to filter out your inexplicable hatred of Cosina to get useful info from you. To imply that Tom A. is anything but a Leica devotee is lunacy, even if he might get some favors from Cosina. I say more power to him! > > Again, Ted, does the word "E T H I C S" mean anything to you? > > Cosina seems to have no ethics. If they did, they would quit this hiding > behind the "Voigtländer" name and would be honest enough to list their > products in their own name. What are you talking about? Has there ever been honesty is marketing? Like it or not, names are for sale, and if a company thinks that it will help them make more sales, they will be sure to use it (Look at Zeiss with the Sonnar label on the new T3...). Cosina is no fool, they knew what their reputation was, and they felt that they needed something to show that this was different, a higher quality line than what people were used to. They bought the name fair and square, this is hardly a crime against humanity. Once again, what is worse, the name being labeled on some new, decent gear, or have the name be dead, a part of ancient history? Isaac > > Marc > > firstname.lastname@example.org FAX: +540/343-7315 > Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir!