Re: [Leica] Re: Country of Manufacture

[Stephen Gandy <Stephen@CameraQuest.com>]

Ted,

if you don't like a discussion, learn to use the delete key, but forget trying to demand
others stop a discussion on something that doesn't interest you.

It makes no difference to me where Leica's are made, or the subassemblies that they use, but
it does make a difference to me that consumers HAVE that information and do with it what they
will.


> Stephen Gandy wrote:
> >>>>>The strangest thing about Ted and Sal's post is that they seem to be extremely
> biased AGAINST gaining knowledge about Leica, if we as consumers dare to wonder how much
> of the "made in Germany" really is made in Germany.  Ironically  Ted in past has
> considered  the wonders of his underwear an appropriate  LUG topic, but yet today he gets
> upset of if anyone dare asks where Leicas are manufactured, or who does the
> subassembly.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> C'mon Stephen,
> You know that's BS. I'm not the least bit bias nor do I give a flying hoop where the
> cameras are made, nor that you and others want to figure out the reasons why the cameras
> are not completely made in germany. I just think this is another one of those dumb ass
> topics that doesn't relate one iota to being a "Leica User!"  Like "taking pictures with
> the camera. And I'm certainly not trying to stop anyone from learning about Leica being
> built anywhere . Don't read things into my post that isn't there.
>

Again Ted, I don't understand your sensitivity on this Leica involved subject, since you
rarely protest about obviously off top discussions.

Hell it's never mattered to me who made the cameras, we made them here in Canada for a

> bunch of years and the resurrection of the M4 occurred here. And for heaven sake Portugal
> has been involved in manufacturing some aspects of the M and R cameras for some years. It
> isn't all of a sudden a revelation!

having the majority of the M6 produced in Portugal is news.  it's not generally known, and it
certainly is not advertised by Leica.  the majority issue is far different than selected
components.  but of course, you are a lecturer for the Leica school -- right ?  perhaps it's
old news to you, but not to me.   perhaps you can tell me when the majority of  M6 production
switched to Portugal.

>
>
> And if you were to tell me,  you of all people, weren't aware of those Leica facts I'd
> almost think you were telling a little white ...... !
>
> >>>>>>Ironically  Ted in past has considered  the wonders of his underwear an
> appropriate  LUG topic, <<<<
>
> As for the "under short cleaning cloth,?"  Sure it's a worth while topic from real life
> experience of acquiring free lens cleaning material for those precious Leica lenses some
> LUGNUTS carry on about. You unfortunately don't take this seriously! But the information
> is passed on most sincerely .
> .
> Due to the "what cleaning cloth do you recommend topic?" that arrives on the screen about
> every three or four months, sometimes weeks, I pass on my experience of using old cotton
> under shorts for about the past 40 years  on my Leica glass and that of many other types
> of cameras. It's clean, soft and free!
>
> So what's your problem of giving free advice from a long time Leica User, to those who
> wish to clean their lenses! At least it may save them some money for film  rather than
> buying an exorbitantly over priced piece of material that "will not do any better job!".
>

if you want to clean your Leica lenses with underwear,  wonderful and great.  but it will be
a cold day in hell before I clean an expensive lens with something that it was not designed
to be a lens cleaner.   as someone who has deleted several hundred boring "Ted's Underwear"
posts in the past, and will doubtless do so again, I am a bit tired of the subject.  however,
unlike you, I am not saying you shouldn't sharing that wonderful bit of experience with
others, for all its worth.  my point is that you seem to have rather wide boundaries for what
is a suitable LUG topic, so long as you agree with it -- ie a double standard.

>
> > >>>>>As a consumer, I want to know as much as I can about all facets of Leica,  and I
> > doubt if  I am not the only one who shares this viewpoint.<<<<<<
>
> Go for it Stephen, heck I'm not stopping you. And with your wealth of Leica knowledge and
> experience I doubt there is anything new about Leica that you don't already know.

you disappoint me Ted.  I thought you were above personal attacks.  I guess not.

Stephen Gandy.