[Leica] [Leica} Had a camera scare today......

Frank Filippone bmwred735i at gmail.com
Sun Jun 5 20:36:35 PDT 2022 

Jaynard.... My dilemma has EVERYTHING to do the Leica Monochrom and the Sandisk Extreme Pro cards I usually use. ( and of which I have about 700GB 
worth vs roughly 100GB of Transcend SD Cards of the correct, working type.)

And NOTHING to do with any other camera or memory card or combination thereof. I did not address that issue.

It was real, It was an M9 type Monochrom.  It was a Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB memory card.  The Transcend 16GB and 32GB cards work just fine.

I do realize this is old technology.... sort of like using film, in a Leica IIIc, and Tri-X.

The thing is that "in the old days" any film worked in any camera.  For a while, in the early digital age, that was not true.


Frank Filippone
BMWRed735i at Gmail.com
On 6/5/2022 3:44 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG wrote:
> This has nothing to do with whether Sandisk does or does not work with
> Leica digital bodies because I have no experience of that. I have never had
> any problem with Sandisk SD cards in the past, whether UHS or UHS II, but
> the only warning I wish to give about Sandisk is about their Compact Flash
> Express (B) cards - they are slow and run very hot with burst shooting or
> video, therefore are rubbish and highly avoidable. The best/fastest CFE (B)
> cards come in new flavours - Delkin Black, Prograde Cobalt and Angelbird AV
> Pro Mark II - the last mentioned even has firmware updates to the card to
> improve performance. These cards are eye wateringly expensive so it is
> important to buy the right cards at the outset when you need them. That is
> the only function of this post, targeted at those who also shoot Nikon,
> Fuji or Canon mirrorless offerings along with their Leica systems. Sony
> uses the slower CFE (A) cards, but it is only a matter of time that they
> migrate to CFE (B) cards as well.
>
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 1:14 AM Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
>
>> The only digital Leica I have ever had is the M8. But my point was that I
>> have used the same cards in several other cameras.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> photo at frozenlight.eu
>>
>> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>
>> YNWA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5 Jun 2022, at 21:21, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you ever used Sandisk in an M9 or CCD Monochrom?  They do not
>> always work in them, I used Transcend and currently Lexar...
>>> john
>>>
>>> On 05/06/2022, 19:34, "LUG on behalf of Nathan Wajsman"
>> <lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.uk at leica-users.org on behalf of
>> photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
>>>     YMMV is the word here. I have used Sandisk, and only Sandisk, for
>> many years. In Leica, Panasonic (various models), Fuji (various models),
>> Ricoh GR—in all of them without any problems, ever.
>>>     Cheers,
>>>     Nathan
>>>
>>>     Nathan Wajsman
>>>     photo at frozenlight.eu
>>>
>>>     http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>     http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>     http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>
>>>     YNWA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 5 Jun 2022, at 18:25, Frank Filippone via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
>> wrote:
>>>> Maybe, but my Sony cards would not work in my Monochrom.  ( and yes, my
>> fastest cards are Sony, and they work equally well in my Nikon D7100 and
>> Sony A7, A7rii, and M240.....!)
>>>> It is not an issue of bulletproof.... the card is not the problem....
>> The original EE designer is the problem.....
>>>> In the early digital age,and especially the early Leica M8/M9 age, it
>> appears that Leica (and others) teamed up with a vendor and then designed
>> the camera to work with the electrical specs of THAT vendor. Other vendors
>> cards had slightly different specs and therefore would not work.  All the
>> cars met the Standard, but had slightly different specs..... so designing
>> to the specific vendor card specs was a BIG mistake for us consumers.
>>>> Ever wonder WHY there is a recommended memory card list for an older
>> camera?  Re-read the above..... THAT is why.
>>>> In the subsequent years, people complained, camera companies looked
>> like idiots, card makers got tired of the nonsense, and new cameras were
>> designed using the STANDARDS for SD cards.... Yes, the least common
>> denominator specs.  All the cards worked.... which makes consumer sense...
>>>> The difference is in the specific vendor electrical specs vs the least
>> common denominator standards specs.... and which you design to.
>>>> Nowadays, it is all but a memory.  In new cameras, all cards work.
>>>>
>>>> But, in using older cameras, you forget the old rules, and stick the
>> wrong BRAND and MODEL of card in your OLD camera.....
>>>> I bought some old Transcend cards from EBay yesterday..... want to be
>> sure I can keep the Monochrom running......
>>>> And I am going to put a sticker inside the bottom plate telling me to
>> use my Transcend cards only..... because I know I will forget again.....
>>>>
>>>> Frank Filippone
>>>> BMWRed735i at Gmail.com
>>>> On 6/5/2022 5:59 AM, Sonny Carter via LUG wrote:
>>>>> I don't know how they do in Leica, but Sony Tough sd cards are
>> bulletproof.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sonny
>>>>> http://sonc.com <http://sonc.com/look/>
>>>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
>>>>> 1714
>>>>> Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase
>>>>>
>>>>> USA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 10:26 AM John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> Surprised they lasted this long, I only had my M9 a few months before
>> I
>>>>>> had to move to Transcend cards from Sandisk....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> john
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/06/2022, 21:28, "LUG on behalf of Frank Filippone via LUG"
>>>>>> <lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.uk at leica-users.org on behalf of
>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     My precious Monochrom ( M9 Based Digi-Leica) would not accept a
>> memory
>>>>>> card.  Just kept telling me that there was no SD card installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I tried a bunch of other cards.  No luck.  At this point I saw a
>> BIG
>>>>>> repair bill coming my way.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Did a Google search of ... Leica M9 SD Card Problems.... All the
>>>>>> articles were old ( well, what do you expect given the camera is old?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Three solutions were offered at that time...... a) contacts on
>> camera
>>>>>> or card were "dirty".... Clean them b) Bad memory card or card reader
>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>     camera ( what I feared) and finally, c) In the beginning of the M9,
>>>>>> there were some issues with certain cards not working.... Leica
>> chimed in
>>>>>> and said
>>>>>>     they knew about the problem, towards a fix.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The cards were mostly Sandisk....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Well, the cards I was trying were all Sandisk, Extreme Pro.... I
>> had
>>>>>> 64GB, 32GB, 128GB..... none had worked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I did have a pair of Transcend 32GB cards..... tried one and it
>> worked
>>>>>> perfectly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The message to leave everyone with.... if your camera acts up,,
>> Google
>>>>>> the problem... and follow the solutions offered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I would have expected Leica to fix the incompatibility years ago,
>> but
>>>>>> nope.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     What did we do before the Internet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     B+W anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Frank Filippone
>>>>>>
>>>
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