[Leica] [Leica} Had a camera scare today......

Jayanand Govindaraj jayanand at gmail.com
Mon Jun 6 02:15:01 PDT 2022 

I was just shooting out a general warning to the group about the Sandisk
CFE (B) cards. This format will be the future for an increasing number of
group members, as Nikon, Canon and Fuji have already started using that
format, and it is only a matter of time before Sony does so as well (they
use CFE (A) at present).

Are your Sandisk Extreme Pro cards the 170 mbps version? Maybe the
Monochrom cannot handle that speed. Buy a cheap plain vanilla Sandisk UHS 1
card, which can be had at around US$7 for 64GB here in India, and see if
that works, that is, if the Sandisk - Leica compatibility is what you want
to check out.

Otherwise I do not see your problem - if some cards do not work, well, they
do not work and you have to get some that do work if you want more
capacity. Basic SD cards are so inexpensive that it is hardly an issue -
the Monochrom should be fine with the basic UHS 1 cards, as you are not
going to use it for shooting bursts - just as my Fuji X100S and Fuji XE-1
are.

Cheers
Jayanand



On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 9:06 AM Frank Filippone via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
wrote:

> Jaynard.... My dilemma has EVERYTHING to do the Leica Monochrom and the
> Sandisk Extreme Pro cards I usually use. ( and of which I have about 700GB
> worth vs roughly 100GB of Transcend SD Cards of the correct, working type.)
>
> And NOTHING to do with any other camera or memory card or combination
> thereof. I did not address that issue.
>
> It was real, It was an M9 type Monochrom.  It was a Sandisk Extreme Pro
> 32GB memory card.  The Transcend 16GB and 32GB cards work just fine.
>
> I do realize this is old technology.... sort of like using film, in a
> Leica IIIc, and Tri-X.
>
> The thing is that "in the old days" any film worked in any camera.  For a
> while, in the early digital age, that was not true.
>
>
> Frank Filippone
> BMWRed735i at Gmail.com
> On 6/5/2022 3:44 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG wrote:
> > This has nothing to do with whether Sandisk does or does not work with
> > Leica digital bodies because I have no experience of that. I have never
> had
> > any problem with Sandisk SD cards in the past, whether UHS or UHS II, but
> > the only warning I wish to give about Sandisk is about their Compact
> Flash
> > Express (B) cards - they are slow and run very hot with burst shooting or
> > video, therefore are rubbish and highly avoidable. The best/fastest CFE
> (B)
> > cards come in new flavours - Delkin Black, Prograde Cobalt and Angelbird
> AV
> > Pro Mark II - the last mentioned even has firmware updates to the card to
> > improve performance. These cards are eye wateringly expensive so it is
> > important to buy the right cards at the outset when you need them. That
> is
> > the only function of this post, targeted at those who also shoot Nikon,
> > Fuji or Canon mirrorless offerings along with their Leica systems. Sony
> > uses the slower CFE (A) cards, but it is only a matter of time that they
> > migrate to CFE (B) cards as well.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jayanand
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 1:14 AM Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
> wrote:
> >
> >> The only digital Leica I have ever had is the M8. But my point was that
> I
> >> have used the same cards in several other cameras.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Nathan
> >>
> >> Nathan Wajsman
> >> photo at frozenlight.eu
> >>
> >> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> >> http://www.greatpix.eu
> >> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> >>
> >> YNWA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 5 Jun 2022, at 21:21, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Have you ever used Sandisk in an M9 or CCD Monochrom?  They do not
> >> always work in them, I used Transcend and currently Lexar...
> >>> john
> >>>
> >>> On 05/06/2022, 19:34, "LUG on behalf of Nathan Wajsman"
> >> <lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.uk at leica-users.org on behalf of
> >> photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
> >>>     YMMV is the word here. I have used Sandisk, and only Sandisk, for
> >> many years. In Leica, Panasonic (various models), Fuji (various models),
> >> Ricoh GR—in all of them without any problems, ever.
> >>>     Cheers,
> >>>     Nathan
> >>>
> >>>     Nathan Wajsman
> >>>     photo at frozenlight.eu
> >>>
> >>>     http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> >>>     http://www.greatpix.eu
> >>>     http://www.frozenlight.eu
> >>>
> >>>     YNWA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 5 Jun 2022, at 18:25, Frank Filippone via LUG <lug at leica-users.org
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Maybe, but my Sony cards would not work in my Monochrom.  ( and yes,
> my
> >> fastest cards are Sony, and they work equally well in my Nikon D7100 and
> >> Sony A7, A7rii, and M240.....!)
> >>>> It is not an issue of bulletproof.... the card is not the problem....
> >> The original EE designer is the problem.....
> >>>> In the early digital age,and especially the early Leica M8/M9 age, it
> >> appears that Leica (and others) teamed up with a vendor and then
> designed
> >> the camera to work with the electrical specs of THAT vendor. Other
> vendors
> >> cards had slightly different specs and therefore would not work.  All
> the
> >> cars met the Standard, but had slightly different specs..... so
> designing
> >> to the specific vendor card specs was a BIG mistake for us consumers.
> >>>> Ever wonder WHY there is a recommended memory card list for an older
> >> camera?  Re-read the above..... THAT is why.
> >>>> In the subsequent years, people complained, camera companies looked
> >> like idiots, card makers got tired of the nonsense, and new cameras were
> >> designed using the STANDARDS for SD cards.... Yes, the least common
> >> denominator specs.  All the cards worked.... which makes consumer
> sense...
> >>>> The difference is in the specific vendor electrical specs vs the least
> >> common denominator standards specs.... and which you design to.
> >>>> Nowadays, it is all but a memory.  In new cameras, all cards work.
> >>>>
> >>>> But, in using older cameras, you forget the old rules, and stick the
> >> wrong BRAND and MODEL of card in your OLD camera.....
> >>>> I bought some old Transcend cards from EBay yesterday..... want to be
> >> sure I can keep the Monochrom running......
> >>>> And I am going to put a sticker inside the bottom plate telling me to
> >> use my Transcend cards only..... because I know I will forget again.....
> >>>>
> >>>> Frank Filippone
> >>>> BMWRed735i at Gmail.com
> >>>> On 6/5/2022 5:59 AM, Sonny Carter via LUG wrote:
> >>>>> I don't know how they do in Leica, but Sony Tough sd cards are
> >> bulletproof.
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sonny
> >>>>> http://sonc.com <http://sonc.com/look/>
> >>>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
> >>>>> 1714
> >>>>> Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase
> >>>>>
> >>>>> USA
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 10:26 AM John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>> Surprised they lasted this long, I only had my M9 a few months
> before
> >> I
> >>>>>> had to move to Transcend cards from Sandisk....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> john
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 04/06/2022, 21:28, "LUG on behalf of Frank Filippone via LUG"
> >>>>>> <lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.uk at leica-users.org on behalf of
> >>>>>> lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     My precious Monochrom ( M9 Based Digi-Leica) would not accept a
> >> memory
> >>>>>> card.  Just kept telling me that there was no SD card installed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     I tried a bunch of other cards.  No luck.  At this point I saw a
> >> BIG
> >>>>>> repair bill coming my way.....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     Did a Google search of ... Leica M9 SD Card Problems.... All the
> >>>>>> articles were old ( well, what do you expect given the camera is
> old?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     Three solutions were offered at that time...... a) contacts on
> >> camera
> >>>>>> or card were "dirty".... Clean them b) Bad memory card or card
> reader
> >> in
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>     camera ( what I feared) and finally, c) In the beginning of the
> M9,
> >>>>>> there were some issues with certain cards not working.... Leica
> >> chimed in
> >>>>>> and said
> >>>>>>     they knew about the problem, towards a fix.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     The cards were mostly Sandisk....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     Well, the cards I was trying were all Sandisk, Extreme Pro.... I
> >> had
> >>>>>> 64GB, 32GB, 128GB..... none had worked.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     I did have a pair of Transcend 32GB cards..... tried one and it
> >> worked
> >>>>>> perfectly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     The message to leave everyone with.... if your camera acts up,,
> >> Google
> >>>>>> the problem... and follow the solutions offered.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     I would have expected Leica to fix the incompatibility years
> ago,
> >> but
> >>>>>> nope.....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     What did we do before the Internet?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     B+W anyone?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     Frank Filippone
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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