[Leica] Kentmere 400

[Lluis Ripoll]

Thank you Marty! It’s interesting, if you can test the Oriental film I would like know your opinion, I’ve found this:

To Buy
https://showa-store.com/products/seagull-oriental-400-35mm

Comments:
https://toivonenphoto.com/blog/2018/1/5/budapest-oriental-seagull-400-in-d76-11

https://www.filmshooterscollective.com/analog-film-photography-blog/under-the-radar-oriental-seagull-400-renato-repetto-10-10

Cheers
Lluis





> El 21 jul 2021, a les 11:11, Marty Deveney via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> va escriure:
> 
> Oriental Seagull is apparently made for the Japanese market by Harmann.  It
> is hard to get outside Japan.
> 
> There is a reasonable list of extant film manufacturers here:
> https://wiki2.org/en/Photographic_film#In_production
> We just went into a Level 5 response (basically lockdown) so I have time to
> think before I do anything.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 at 7:45 pm, Lluis Ripoll via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marty,
>> 
>> Plus X was my favorite film, unfortunately it is not more available, I’ve
>> shoot my last Plus X films I think in 2014. Three years ago I’ve used
>> Eastman Double XX, it works well at ISO 250, acceptable grain, the B&W is
>> nice but in my opinion it is a film with more contrast and more grain than
>> Plus X, I’ve developed it with X-Tol 1:1 and 1:3, but I’ve not tried D-23
>> or D-76. The film I’ve tested and I loved the results was Oriental Seagull,
>> it is or was available in ISO 100 and 400 developed in D-23 1:1, it was
>> excellent but it is a film hard to find, I don’t remember where I’ve
>> purchased it, I remember it was in e-Bay, I think you can find it in Buyee,
>> I’ve read somewhere that it was manufactured by Hartmann… I do not
>> understand if Hartman made this film for selling only in China, HK… In my
>> opinion there are only a few film manufacturers in the World and many
>> commercial brand names have the same origin: Kodak, Ilford (Hartman), Fuji,
>> Adox, Foma. The photographic paper is still worst, there is a while Adox
>> don’t deliver FB paper, Oriental Seagull is available only in Japan and
>> very expensive, Ilford is in my opinion the only good surviver, and Foma if
>> you like it.
>> 
>> Lluis
>> 
>>> El 15 jul 2021, a les 7:07, Marty Deveney via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
>> va escriure:
>>> 
>>> I haven't used Bergger Pancro 120, only 35mm.  Ilford HP5 always looked
>> the
>>> same to me in all formats, but I haven't used it or any other Ilford film
>>> in over 10 years.
>>> 
>>> Foma, yes.  I have noticed substantial differences when I look at the
>>> negatives with a microscope.  But it is hard to tell if it is due to
>>> handling, fogging due to plastic wrap vs a cassette, a huge number of
>>> variations.
>>> 
>>> I will need to think about this soon; my stash of Plus-X is coming to an
>>> end (sad).  I may just buy 1,000 feet of Eastman XX, but I am not sure.
>>> 
>>> Marty
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:49 AM Lluis Ripoll via LUG <
>> lug at leica-users.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Marty,
>>>> 
>>>> Lately I have found that the quality of various brands of film is not
>> the
>>>> same in 35 mm format as in 120 mm, to unsuspected levels of significant
>>>> differences in grain, emulsion, veil. The brands that I have been able
>> to
>>>> verify big differences are Bergger, Ilford HP5, Foma 400, all these
>> have a
>>>> good quality in 120, however not in 35mm, moreover, I would even say
>> that
>>>> they are very similar if you look at them with a good magnifying glass
>> of
>>>> 10x or more and I have the suspicion that it could be that they were
>> made
>>>> by the same manufacturer. What do you think about it?
>>>> 
>>>> Best!
>>>> Lluis
>>>> 
>>>>> El 13 jul 2021, a les 5:26, Marty Deveney via LUG <lug at leica-users.org
>>> 
>>>> va escriure:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve get good results with Foma 400 E.I. 250, 120 format, developed in
>>>>>> D-76 1:1 at 21ºC  10’ 50”, agitation the first 30” and 4 inversions
>>>> every
>>>>>> minute.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, Foma 400 in 120 is nice but you can treat it completely
>> differently
>>>> to
>>>>> 35mm.  This is 120 Foma 400 in Xtol:
>>>>> 
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Portraits/File0966.jpg.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> Plenty of nice 35mm examples in the thread at RFF:
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92200&highlight=kentmere+400
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kentmere 400 + ilfotec DD-X - grain-free and a bit mushy. Looks like
>>>>>> Eastman XX. Since Eastman XX is half the speed of Kentmere 400 and
>> twice
>>>>>> the price, there is no reason to buy Eastman XX in 35mm format.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> These films are all a bit soft - coarse grain and mushy edges.  I think
>>>>> HC-110 works really well because of all the strong developing agents
>> and
>>>>> strong restrainers.  I like Eastman XX because it scratches less
>>>>> easily, but I have always found that with Kodak vs Ilford films.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marty
>>>>> 
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