[Leica] Kentmere 400

[Marty Deveney]

Oriental Seagull is apparently made for the Japanese market by Harmann.  It
is hard to get outside Japan.

There is a reasonable list of extant film manufacturers here:
https://wiki2.org/en/Photographic_film#In_production
We just went into a Level 5 response (basically lockdown) so I have time to
think before I do anything.



On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 at 7:45 pm, Lluis Ripoll via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
wrote:

> Hi Marty,
>
> Plus X was my favorite film, unfortunately it is not more available, I’ve
> shoot my last Plus X films I think in 2014. Three years ago I’ve used
> Eastman Double XX, it works well at ISO 250, acceptable grain, the B&W is
> nice but in my opinion it is a film with more contrast and more grain than
> Plus X, I’ve developed it with X-Tol 1:1 and 1:3, but I’ve not tried D-23
> or D-76. The film I’ve tested and I loved the results was Oriental Seagull,
> it is or was available in ISO 100 and 400 developed in D-23 1:1, it was
> excellent but it is a film hard to find, I don’t remember where I’ve
> purchased it, I remember it was in e-Bay, I think you can find it in Buyee,
> I’ve read somewhere that it was manufactured by Hartmann… I do not
> understand if Hartman made this film for selling only in China, HK… In my
> opinion there are only a few film manufacturers in the World and many
> commercial brand names have the same origin: Kodak, Ilford (Hartman), Fuji,
> Adox, Foma. The photographic paper is still worst, there is a while Adox
> don’t deliver FB paper, Oriental Seagull is available only in Japan and
> very expensive, Ilford is in my opinion the only good surviver, and Foma if
> you like it.
>
> Lluis
>
> > El 15 jul 2021, a les 7:07, Marty Deveney via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
> va escriure:
> >
> > I haven't used Bergger Pancro 120, only 35mm.  Ilford HP5 always looked
> the
> > same to me in all formats, but I haven't used it or any other Ilford film
> > in over 10 years.
> >
> > Foma, yes.  I have noticed substantial differences when I look at the
> > negatives with a microscope.  But it is hard to tell if it is due to
> > handling, fogging due to plastic wrap vs a cassette, a huge number of
> > variations.
> >
> > I will need to think about this soon; my stash of Plus-X is coming to an
> > end (sad).  I may just buy 1,000 feet of Eastman XX, but I am not sure.
> >
> > Marty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:49 AM Lluis Ripoll via LUG <
> lug at leica-users.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Marty,
> >>
> >> Lately I have found that the quality of various brands of film is not
> the
> >> same in 35 mm format as in 120 mm, to unsuspected levels of significant
> >> differences in grain, emulsion, veil. The brands that I have been able
> to
> >> verify big differences are Bergger, Ilford HP5, Foma 400, all these
> have a
> >> good quality in 120, however not in 35mm, moreover, I would even say
> that
> >> they are very similar if you look at them with a good magnifying glass
> of
> >> 10x or more and I have the suspicion that it could be that they were
> made
> >> by the same manufacturer. What do you think about it?
> >>
> >> Best!
> >> Lluis
> >>
> >>> El 13 jul 2021, a les 5:26, Marty Deveney via LUG <lug at leica-users.org
> >
> >> va escriure:
> >>>
> >>>> I’ve get good results with Foma 400 E.I. 250, 120 format, developed in
> >>>> D-76 1:1 at 21ºC  10’ 50”, agitation the first 30” and 4 inversions
> >> every
> >>>> minute.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, Foma 400 in 120 is nice but you can treat it completely
> differently
> >> to
> >>> 35mm.  This is 120 Foma 400 in Xtol:
> >>>
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Portraits/File0966.jpg.html
> >>>
> >>> Plenty of nice 35mm examples in the thread at RFF:
> >>>
> >>
> https://rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92200&highlight=kentmere+400
> >>>
> >>> Kentmere 400 + ilfotec DD-X - grain-free and a bit mushy. Looks like
> >>>> Eastman XX. Since Eastman XX is half the speed of Kentmere 400 and
> twice
> >>>> the price, there is no reason to buy Eastman XX in 35mm format.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> These films are all a bit soft - coarse grain and mushy edges.  I think
> >>> HC-110 works really well because of all the strong developing agents
> and
> >>> strong restrainers.  I like Eastman XX because it scratches less
> >>> easily, but I have always found that with Kodak vs Ilford films.
> >>>
> >>> Marty
> >>>
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