[Leica] Nikon et al vs MIrrorless cameras

Fri Feb 14 18:10:11 PST 2020

On my recent trip to South Georgia, there were six Olympus users, four
Nikon Z7 users, a single Lumix user, a single Fuji user and a single Sony
user out of 70 photographers, including the leaders, on board. The rest
were all Canikon DSLR users. No inferences intended, just a statement of
fact. I was actually surprised they were not more mirrorless users around.

Cheers
Jayanand

On Sat, 15 Feb, 2020, 07:27 Sonny Carter via LUG, <lug at leica-users.org>
wrote:

> If they are using Sony, they're using mirrorless pretty much.   I don't see
> any of the older ones in my very touristy town when we have crowds.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sonny
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>
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 6:44 PM Aram Langhans via LUG <lug at leica-users.org
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Everybody keeps saying that mirrorless is booming, but in my outings in
> > the
> > National Parks and Forest, I do not see them.  I see tons of the crop
> > sensor
> > Nikons, a few less Canons (that surprises me), and every so often a Sony
> > or
> > even less often an Olympus.  I see more film cameras with each outing.
> > So,
> > while sales figures may say one thing, people who are more landscape
> > photographers are not walking around with many mirrorless cameras......
> > YET!!
> >
> > Aram
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Rabiner
> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:11 AM
> > To: Leica Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Nikon et al vs MIrrorless cameras
> >
> > This implies sales on the Z6, Z7 and Z50 camera have been slow in sales
> > and
> > I'm pretty sure that has not been the case at all I think it's been a
> boom
> > for Nikon on all levels. I was in the market for a Nikon body  last
> > January
> > and the new and first out Nikon mirrorless Z6, Z7 were just out and were
> > getting a ton of exposure. An innovated forward looking light hearted
> > person
> > would have gone that route. Not me like you were saying Nikon is a day
> one
> > with mirrorless and the last thing I'm going to do is invest some big
> > change
> > into a first out. Turns out I was wrong these cameras worked out
> perfectly
> > and paved the way for the recent release the DX cropped format Z50 which
> > would really save my on Tylenol and Aleve bills. (this is not a product
> > endorsement)
> > I still say avoid first outs. And the D50 is not a first out. And its
> > cheap
> > and lightweight and compact as all get out. And that tiny feather weight
> > zoom lens it often comes with is a near pancake could do me fine for
> years.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mark William Rabiner
> > Photographer
> >
> > On 2/14/20, 12:45 PM, "LUG on behalf of Frank Filippone via LUG"
> > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
> > lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> >
> >       Peter and Howard have been having a debate on Nikon ( specifically)
> > Z6
> >     camera progress to replacing all DSLR with Mirrorless models.
> >
> >     A different perspective....
> >     First the interchange.....
> >     The loan program shows how desperate Nikon is to convince Nikon users
> > to
> >     move from DSLRs to the EVF models. The latter are competent, as you
> > can
> > see,
> >     but I am not sure that they will be as versatile as the old mirror
> > prisms
> >     on the DSLRs - especially for the flying bird photography that I do
> >
> >     Now the perspective....
> >     The first Nikon camera to be digital was the D1 in 1999.  20 years
> ago.
> >     They have done a wonderful job of improving and refining the
> camera(s)
> >     since then.  The first Nikon mirrorless is the Z6/7 introduced in
> > 2018.
> > It
> >     is to be understood that the Mirrorless camera has not had the
> > development
> >     time and effort that the DSLR models have.  Plus the business
> decision
> > to
> >     not develop too quickly and have all your DSLR sales go to zero
> > because
> > of
> >     the "better" mirrorless model. ( incentive to NOT change or improve).
> >     A few years ago I predicted the end of the DSLR domination.  That is
> >     becoming a fact.  Manufacturing infrastructure at Nikon is
> > predominantly
> >     mechanically inclined employees.  Mirrorless camera require
> > significantly
> >     less mechanical assembly... they are basically computers with some
> >     mechanical integration.  THEY ARE INHERENTLY LESS COSTLY TO PRODUCE.
> >     The Sony A7 caught Nikon lollygagging around.. and Nikon declared the
> > Sony
> >     technology to be inferior...... never going to work as well.... Never
> > going
> >     to be able to AF as well.  Never going .... you fill in the final
> >     part.....   Then came the Sony A9, which made Nikon shut up.  The A9
> > was
> >     created to defy Nikon.  Fix all the naysayers comments, especially
> the
> >     Birders and teh Sports guys.....  Then came the A9II which further
> >     strengthened the Mirrorless position.....
> >     Nikon is  in no different position than they were a few years ago..
> > denying
> >     the obvious superiority of the mirrorless technology because of their
> > heavy
> >     infrastructure investments on mirror-box manufacturing.
> >     Canon has stated no new DSLR lens development.  Guess the word is
> > received
> >     at Canon..... go Mirrorless.
> >     If you want a bird imaging camera, with the Nikon brand on front, it
> is
> >     coming.  As good as the D5 or D500.  Better.  Just wait a couple more
> >     years....... maybe sooner.....
> >     Because you ain't going to see new, high end DSLR development in the
> >     future.  Brand N or C..  Or other.
> >
> >
> >
> >     Frank Filippone
> >     BMWRed735i at gmail.com
> >
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