[Leica] Nikon et al vs MIrrorless cameras

Wed Feb 19 04:37:11 PST 2020

I’m in Japan for the month, I’m seeing mostly Sony mirrorless among the general population, a few other mirrorless, and rarely a DSLR. Among bird photographers I’ve seen one Nikon, one Canon and one Sony A-mount aside from my a7rIII.

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> On Feb 15, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> 
> On my recent trip to South Georgia, there were six Olympus users, four
> Nikon Z7 users, a single Lumix user, a single Fuji user and a single Sony
> user out of 70 photographers, including the leaders, on board. The rest
> were all Canikon DSLR users. No inferences intended, just a statement of
> fact. I was actually surprised they were not more mirrorless users around.
> 
> Cheers
> Jayanand
> 
> On Sat, 15 Feb, 2020, 07:27 Sonny Carter via LUG, <lug at leica-users.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> If they are using Sony, they're using mirrorless pretty much.   I don't see
>> any of the older ones in my very touristy town when we have crowds.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sonny
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>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
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>> 
>> USA
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 6:44 PM Aram Langhans via LUG <lug at leica-users.org
>>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Everybody keeps saying that mirrorless is booming, but in my outings in
>>> the
>>> National Parks and Forest, I do not see them.  I see tons of the crop
>>> sensor
>>> Nikons, a few less Canons (that surprises me), and every so often a Sony
>>> or
>>> even less often an Olympus.  I see more film cameras with each outing.
>>> So,
>>> while sales figures may say one thing, people who are more landscape
>>> photographers are not walking around with many mirrorless cameras......
>>> YET!!
>>> 
>>> Aram
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mark Rabiner
>>> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:11 AM
>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Nikon et al vs MIrrorless cameras
>>> 
>>> This implies sales on the Z6, Z7 and Z50 camera have been slow in sales
>>> and
>>> I'm pretty sure that has not been the case at all I think it's been a
>> boom
>>> for Nikon on all levels. I was in the market for a Nikon body  last
>>> January
>>> and the new and first out Nikon mirrorless Z6, Z7 were just out and were
>>> getting a ton of exposure. An innovated forward looking light hearted
>>> person
>>> would have gone that route. Not me like you were saying Nikon is a day
>> one
>>> with mirrorless and the last thing I'm going to do is invest some big
>>> change
>>> into a first out. Turns out I was wrong these cameras worked out
>> perfectly
>>> and paved the way for the recent release the DX cropped format Z50 which
>>> would really save my on Tylenol and Aleve bills. (this is not a product
>>> endorsement)
>>> I still say avoid first outs. And the D50 is not a first out. And its
>>> cheap
>>> and lightweight and compact as all get out. And that tiny feather weight
>>> zoom lens it often comes with is a near pancake could do me fine for
>> years.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>> Photographer
>>> 
>>> On 2/14/20, 12:45 PM, "LUG on behalf of Frank Filippone via LUG"
>>> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
>>> lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>      Peter and Howard have been having a debate on Nikon ( specifically)
>>> Z6
>>>    camera progress to replacing all DSLR with Mirrorless models.
>>> 
>>>    A different perspective....
>>>    First the interchange.....
>>>    The loan program shows how desperate Nikon is to convince Nikon users
>>> to
>>>    move from DSLRs to the EVF models. The latter are competent, as you
>>> can
>>> see,
>>>    but I am not sure that they will be as versatile as the old mirror
>>> prisms
>>>    on the DSLRs - especially for the flying bird photography that I do
>>> 
>>>    Now the perspective....
>>>    The first Nikon camera to be digital was the D1 in 1999.  20 years
>> ago.
>>>    They have done a wonderful job of improving and refining the
>> camera(s)
>>>    since then.  The first Nikon mirrorless is the Z6/7 introduced in
>>> 2018.
>>> It
>>>    is to be understood that the Mirrorless camera has not had the
>>> development
>>>    time and effort that the DSLR models have.  Plus the business
>> decision
>>> to
>>>    not develop too quickly and have all your DSLR sales go to zero
>>> because
>>> of
>>>    the "better" mirrorless model. ( incentive to NOT change or improve).
>>>    A few years ago I predicted the end of the DSLR domination.  That is
>>>    becoming a fact.  Manufacturing infrastructure at Nikon is
>>> predominantly
>>>    mechanically inclined employees.  Mirrorless camera require
>>> significantly
>>>    less mechanical assembly... they are basically computers with some
>>>    mechanical integration.  THEY ARE INHERENTLY LESS COSTLY TO PRODUCE.
>>>    The Sony A7 caught Nikon lollygagging around.. and Nikon declared the
>>> Sony
>>>    technology to be inferior...... never going to work as well.... Never
>>> going
>>>    to be able to AF as well.  Never going .... you fill in the final
>>>    part.....   Then came the Sony A9, which made Nikon shut up.  The A9
>>> was
>>>    created to defy Nikon.  Fix all the naysayers comments, especially
>> the
>>>    Birders and teh Sports guys.....  Then came the A9II which further
>>>    strengthened the Mirrorless position.....
>>>    Nikon is  in no different position than they were a few years ago..
>>> denying
>>>    the obvious superiority of the mirrorless technology because of their
>>> heavy
>>>    infrastructure investments on mirror-box manufacturing.
>>>    Canon has stated no new DSLR lens development.  Guess the word is
>>> received
>>>    at Canon..... go Mirrorless.
>>>    If you want a bird imaging camera, with the Nikon brand on front, it
>> is
>>>    coming.  As good as the D5 or D500.  Better.  Just wait a couple more
>>>    years....... maybe sooner.....
>>>    Because you ain't going to see new, high end DSLR development in the
>>>    future.  Brand N or C..  Or other.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    Frank Filippone
>>>    BMWRed735i at gmail.com
>>> 
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