[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up

Thu Nov 10 16:22:16 PST 2016

Any one who is crazy enough to care about my political opinions can check
out my FB,

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Tina my dear.
> I have so many USA friends here and all over the USA. Who've vented their
> feelings on my wearying shoulders these past two days.
> I very much feel for you folks as I surely wouldn't want to be in your
> situation as a "WINNER or LOSER?" STILL TOO MANY QUESTIONS?
> My simple clean advice in either case, win or lose? Is let it rest for now
> as much as you all can.
> Put the shock & awe behind you and wait and see what happens?
> I suppose we can and will be surprised what happens, compared to what was
> said on the campaign?
> WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS?
> GOOD=BAD OR UGLY?
> WELL THAT'S FOR THE WORLD TO YET FIND OUT????
> My most heartfelt feelings for all! WHY?
> WAY TOO MANY QUESTIONS WITHOUT THE ACTUAL REAL TIME ANSWERS!
> REGARDLESS OF WHAT WAS SAID!
> cheers,
> Dr. ted Grant CM. ORDER of CANADA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On Behalf
> Of Tina Manley
> Sent: November-10-16 2:41 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up
>
> Ted -
>
> This should all be moved to the forum, but a word of explanation first.  We
> in the USA are going through the five stages of grief and loss.  I, for
> one, still cannot believe what happened on Tuesday night.  I have not
> recovered.  We have to go through 1. Denial and isolation; 2. Anger; 3.
> Bargaining; 4. Depression; 5. Acceptance.
>
> I'm not sure I'll ever get to acceptance, but I'm in anger right now.
>
> Yes, I've been going back through old photos and posting some on FB.  That
> is some consolation to me that there was a past and there might be a
> future.
>
> Tina
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > oH PLEASE,LET'S PUT IT BEHIND US ALL!
> > NONE OF US, particularly me!" Can change anything. Forget the politics!
> No
> > matter how you feel? None of you are going to change anything "TODAY!"
> > If the sun happens to be shining? Nip outside and give yourself a moment
> > assignment to look for an image? GO CLICK! IT'S A BEAUTY! SMILE! GO AND
> > POST
> > IT! :-)
> > We'll smile, pat you on the back whomever you are and we'll quietly slip
> > back into our normal life of being "HAPPY SNAPPING PHOTOGS!"
> > THANK YOU ALL!
> > cheers,
> > Dr. Ted Grant C.M.  CANADA MEDAL.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > Christopher Crawford
> > Sent: November-10-16 1:19 PM
> > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Subject: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up
> > Importance: Low
> >
> > Are you being deliberately obtuse?
> >
> > Of course I earn my living doing photography. The work I post here is not
> > my commercial work. Its not very interesting, but it pays the bills. I
> > don’t expect anyone here to buy my prints, but when you come on here
> > telling me what I SHOULD be photographing, then you need to pay me for
> > working for you. Since you aren’t hiring me, I will continue to shoot and
> > post what I want and if you don’t like it that’s just too damned bad.
> >
> > --
> > Chris Crawford
> > Fine Art Photography
> > Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > 260-437-8990
> >
> > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> > Become a fan on Facebook
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/10/16, 3:50 PM, "LUG on behalf of Philippe Amard"
> > <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
> > photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I don't know about the details Chris, but you told me/us you worked for
> > >the
> > >money.
> > >
> > >For me that's a good reason to shoot; the keyword is survival.
> > >
> > >Yet, is it a good reason to share your commercial art on the lug and
> other
> > >lists?
> > >
> > >How many of us luggers, Oly users and others have bought your prints?
> > >
> > >The LUG and the Oly list are not market squares, they're for friendship,
> > >openness and photography or vice-versa.
> > >
> > >Locked in your own world, how many times have you congratulated any of
> the
> > >other posters?
> > >
> > >What do you share with them, us, me? Bucks?
> > >
> > >I'm sorry this appalling episode in your history takes us all so much
> way
> > >downwards, really sorry.
> > >
> > >Philippe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >2016-11-10 21:25 GMT+01:00 Christopher Crawford <
> > >chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>:
> > >
> > >> Steve’s attacking me because he thinks that I am posting these photos
> to
> > >> support Trump. I’m not. As I have said MULTIPLE times, I am
> documenting
> > >> the culture and people of Indiana. Like it or not, Indiana’s people
> > >> supported Trump. That’s what I documented.
> > >>
> > >> Steve’s comment that I need to take ‘good pictures’ is like someone
> > >>online
> > >> going out of their way to criticize another poster’s spelling because
> > >>they
> > >> didn’t have the courage or the intelligence to criticize the ideas in
> > >>the
> > >> post.
> > >>
> > >> As I have stated, I will not be bullied by narrow minded people into
> > >> changing what I photograph. Don’t like my work? Don’t look at it. Its
> as
> > >> simple as that.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Chris Crawford
> > >> Fine Art Photography
> > >> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > >> 260-437-8990
> > >>
> > >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> > >>
> > >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> > >> Become a fan on Facebook
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 11/10/16, 2:30 PM, "LUG on behalf of Douglas Barry"
> > >> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf
> of
> > >> imra at iol.ie> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Oh, I now see what Steve B wrote to rile Chris. I've moved it up in
> > >>this
> > >> >email to make it easier to see. Steve, it seems a strange place to
> > >>bury a
> > >> >fairly inflammatory comment.
> > >> >
> > >> >What are you trying to achieve?
> > >> >
> > >> >Douglas
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >> Chris,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If you want to make people think, how about some good pictures that
> > >> >>make
> > >> >> people think.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> steve
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > >> >From: "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
> > >> >To: "LUG list" <lug at leica-users.org>
> > >> >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:28 PM
> > >> >Subject: Re: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Gee guys it's all over in less than 24 hours!
> > >> >>> "DO PLEASE TRY AND GET ALONG?" :-)
> > >> >>> I mean you've had near two years to vent this stuff and here we
> are
> > >> >>> voting
> > >> >>> day and you are at each other's throats like a couple of  wild
> > >> >>>roosters
> > >> >>> at a
> > >> >>> hen party! :-)
> > >> >>> My suggestion? Not that it means anything in your country. But
> it's
> > >> >>>going
> > >> >>> to
> > >> >>> be
> > >> >>> "FAR MORE INTERESTING TOMORROW AFTER RESULTS COME OUT!" Actually
> > >>quite
> > >> >>> wild
> > >> >>> I bet? "CLOSE the HATCHES & dive deep!"
> > >> >>> Be good boys until it's over, Thank you.
> > >> >>> Now take two aspirins and call me after 10 a.m. tomorrow. Thank
> you
> > >> >>>most
> > >> >>> kindly. :-)
> > >> >>> Now relax!
> > >> >>> CHRIS: you go look for signs! :-)
> > >> >>> SONNY: You go look for flowers in Adrian's garden! :-)
> > >> >>> Now don't you both feel better? :-) :-)
> > >> >>> Jeeeessh I hope this avoids a CIVIL WAR? :-)
> > >> >>> KINDEST REGARDS TO BOTH.
> > >> >>> Dr. Ted Grant C.M. Order of Canada
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org]
> On
> > >> >>>Behalf
> > >> >>> Of
> > >> >>> Christopher Crawford
> > >> >>> Sent: November-07-16 7:38 PM
> > >> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > >> >>> Subject: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up
> > >> >>> Importance: Low
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Sonny,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Tina Manley implied earlier today (post subject: Milestone) that
> she
> > >> >>> might
> > >> >>> leave the country if the election doesn’t turn out as she likes. I
> > >> >>>didn’t
> > >> >>> see any of your shrill outrage over that. To be clear, I am not
> > >>upset
> > >> >>>by
> > >> >>> Tina’s post; its a free country and if she wants to leave its her
> > >> >>>right.
> > >> >>> It’ll be a great loss to our nation; but its her right to live
> where
> > >> >>>she
> > >> >>> wishes, and her right to voice her opinions.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> As I said in my last reply to you, I am not going to stop what I
> am
> > >> >>> doing.
> > >> >>> I explained why quite clearly, and I stand by it.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>> Chris Crawford
> > >> >>> Fine Art Photography
> > >> >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > >> >>> 260-437-8990
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> > >> >>> Become a fan on Facebook
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On 11/7/16, 10:03 PM, "LUG on behalf of Sonny Carter"
> > >> >>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on
> behalf
> > >>of
> > >> >>> sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> My comment was not about your art.  There are plenty places to
> > >>voice
> > >> >>>> your
> > >> >>>> opinion, and the forum is one such place. Don't embarrass
> yourself.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> from my iPad
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Sonny Carter
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Christopher Crawford
> > >> >>>>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> I¹m not going to stop voicing my opinions.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> That is my job, I am an artist. We make people think and we
> > >>sometimes
> > >> >>>>> make
> > >> >>>>> people uncomfortable.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Chris,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If you want to make people think, how about some good pictures that
> > >> >>make
> > >> >> people think.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> steve
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>>> Those of us who work in the medium of photography
> > >> >>>>> document life; we¹re historians, sociologists, psychologists,
> > >> >>>>> anthropologists, and artists all wrapped into one.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Sometimes the real world is crazy, scary, dangerous,
> uncivilized,
> > >>and
> > >> >>>>> cruel. We cannot put our heads in the sand and refuse to
> confront
> > >>our
> > >> >>>>> world; to do so allows the triumph of evil.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> --
> > >> >>>>> Chris Crawford
> > >> >>>>> Fine Art Photography
> > >> >>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > >> >>>>> 260-437-8990
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> > >> >>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> On 11/7/16, 8:48 PM, "LUG on behalf of Sonny Carter"
> > >> >>>>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on
> > >>behalf
> > >> >>>>>of
> > >> >>>>> sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> I stood up for you when the subject of your images was under
> fire
> > >> >>>>>> here.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> However, when you voice your own political opinion, I'll
> suggest
> > >>you
> > >> >>>>>> take
> > >> >>>>>> it to the forum.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Thanks,
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> from my iPad
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Sonny Carter
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 7:17 PM, Christopher Crawford
> > >> >>>>>>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> This sign pretty much sums up my feelings about the 2016
> > >> >>>>>>>Presidential
> > >> >>>>>>> Election. Lock Both Up.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> This handmade sign was posted in the middle of West State
> > >> >>>>>>>Boulevard
> > >> >>>>>>> on
> > >> >>>>>>> the
> > >> >>>>>>> western edge of Fort Wayne, Indiana.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/chris-details.php?product=2535
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> --
> > >> >>>>>>> Chris Crawford
> > >> >>>>>>> Fine Art Photography
> > >> >>>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > >> >>>>>>> 260-437-8990
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/
> 48229272798
> > >> >>>>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
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