[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up

Thu Nov 10 15:13:33 PST 2016

Hi Tina my dear.
I have so many USA friends here and all over the USA. Who've vented their feelings on my wearying shoulders these past two days.
I very much feel for you folks as I surely wouldn't want to be in your situation as a "WINNER or LOSER?" STILL TOO MANY QUESTIONS?
My simple clean advice in either case, win or lose? Is let it rest for now as much as you all can. 
Put the shock & awe behind you and wait and see what happens? 
I suppose we can and will be surprised what happens, compared to what was said on the campaign?
WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS?
GOOD=BAD OR UGLY? 
WELL THAT'S FOR THE WORLD TO YET FIND OUT????
My most heartfelt feelings for all! WHY?
WAY TOO MANY QUESTIONS WITHOUT THE ACTUAL REAL TIME ANSWERS!
REGARDLESS OF WHAT WAS SAID!
cheers,
Dr. ted Grant CM. ORDER of CANADA

-----Original Message-----
From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Tina Manley
Sent: November-10-16 2:41 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up

Ted -

This should all be moved to the forum, but a word of explanation first.  We
in the USA are going through the five stages of grief and loss.  I, for
one, still cannot believe what happened on Tuesday night.  I have not
recovered.  We have to go through 1. Denial and isolation; 2. Anger; 3.
Bargaining; 4. Depression; 5. Acceptance.

I'm not sure I'll ever get to acceptance, but I'm in anger right now.

Yes, I've been going back through old photos and posting some on FB.  That
is some consolation to me that there was a past and there might be a future.

Tina

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:

> oH PLEASE,LET'S PUT IT BEHIND US ALL!
> NONE OF US, particularly me!" Can change anything. Forget the politics! No
> matter how you feel? None of you are going to change anything "TODAY!"
> If the sun happens to be shining? Nip outside and give yourself a moment
> assignment to look for an image? GO CLICK! IT'S A BEAUTY! SMILE! GO AND
> POST
> IT! :-)
> We'll smile, pat you on the back whomever you are and we'll quietly slip
> back into our normal life of being "HAPPY SNAPPING PHOTOGS!"
> THANK YOU ALL!
> cheers,
> Dr. Ted Grant C.M.  CANADA MEDAL.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Christopher Crawford
> Sent: November-10-16 1:19 PM
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up
> Importance: Low
>
> Are you being deliberately obtuse?
>
> Of course I earn my living doing photography. The work I post here is not
> my commercial work. Its not very interesting, but it pays the bills. I
> don’t expect anyone here to buy my prints, but when you come on here
> telling me what I SHOULD be photographing, then you need to pay me for
> working for you. Since you aren’t hiring me, I will continue to shoot and
> post what I want and if you don’t like it that’s just too damned bad.
>
> --
> Chris Crawford
> Fine Art Photography
> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> 260-437-8990
>
> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> Become a fan on Facebook
>
>
>
> On 11/10/16, 3:50 PM, "LUG on behalf of Philippe Amard"
> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
> photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I don't know about the details Chris, but you told me/us you worked for
> >the
> >money.
> >
> >For me that's a good reason to shoot; the keyword is survival.
> >
> >Yet, is it a good reason to share your commercial art on the lug and other
> >lists?
> >
> >How many of us luggers, Oly users and others have bought your prints?
> >
> >The LUG and the Oly list are not market squares, they're for friendship,
> >openness and photography or vice-versa.
> >
> >Locked in your own world, how many times have you congratulated any of the
> >other posters?
> >
> >What do you share with them, us, me? Bucks?
> >
> >I'm sorry this appalling episode in your history takes us all so much way
> >downwards, really sorry.
> >
> >Philippe
> >
> >
> >
> >2016-11-10 21:25 GMT+01:00 Christopher Crawford <
> >chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>:
> >
> >> Steve’s attacking me because he thinks that I am posting these photos to
> >> support Trump. I’m not. As I have said MULTIPLE times, I am documenting
> >> the culture and people of Indiana. Like it or not, Indiana’s people
> >> supported Trump. That’s what I documented.
> >>
> >> Steve’s comment that I need to take ‘good pictures’ is like someone
> >>online
> >> going out of their way to criticize another poster’s spelling because
> >>they
> >> didn’t have the courage or the intelligence to criticize the ideas in
> >>the
> >> post.
> >>
> >> As I have stated, I will not be bullied by narrow minded people into
> >> changing what I photograph. Don’t like my work? Don’t look at it. Its as
> >> simple as that.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Crawford
> >> Fine Art Photography
> >> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> >> 260-437-8990
> >>
> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> >>
> >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> >> Become a fan on Facebook
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/10/16, 2:30 PM, "LUG on behalf of Douglas Barry"
> >> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
> >> imra at iol.ie> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Oh, I now see what Steve B wrote to rile Chris. I've moved it up in
> >>this
> >> >email to make it easier to see. Steve, it seems a strange place to
> >>bury a
> >> >fairly inflammatory comment.
> >> >
> >> >What are you trying to achieve?
> >> >
> >> >Douglas
> >> >
> >> >>>>>
> >> >> Chris,
> >> >>
> >> >> If you want to make people think, how about some good pictures that
> >> >>make
> >> >> people think.
> >> >>
> >> >> steve
> >> >>>>>
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
> >> >To: "LUG list" <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:28 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Gee guys it's all over in less than 24 hours!
> >> >>> "DO PLEASE TRY AND GET ALONG?" :-)
> >> >>> I mean you've had near two years to vent this stuff and here we are
> >> >>> voting
> >> >>> day and you are at each other's throats like a couple of  wild
> >> >>>roosters
> >> >>> at a
> >> >>> hen party! :-)
> >> >>> My suggestion? Not that it means anything in your country. But it's
> >> >>>going
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> be
> >> >>> "FAR MORE INTERESTING TOMORROW AFTER RESULTS COME OUT!" Actually
> >>quite
> >> >>> wild
> >> >>> I bet? "CLOSE the HATCHES & dive deep!"
> >> >>> Be good boys until it's over, Thank you.
> >> >>> Now take two aspirins and call me after 10 a.m. tomorrow. Thank you
> >> >>>most
> >> >>> kindly. :-)
> >> >>> Now relax!
> >> >>> CHRIS: you go look for signs! :-)
> >> >>> SONNY: You go look for flowers in Adrian's garden! :-)
> >> >>> Now don't you both feel better? :-) :-)
> >> >>> Jeeeessh I hope this avoids a CIVIL WAR? :-)
> >> >>> KINDEST REGARDS TO BOTH.
> >> >>> Dr. Ted Grant C.M. Order of Canada
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> >> >>>Behalf
> >> >>> Of
> >> >>> Christopher Crawford
> >> >>> Sent: November-07-16 7:38 PM
> >> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> >>> Subject: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up
> >> >>> Importance: Low
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sonny,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Tina Manley implied earlier today (post subject: Milestone) that she
> >> >>> might
> >> >>> leave the country if the election doesn’t turn out as she likes. I
> >> >>>didn’t
> >> >>> see any of your shrill outrage over that. To be clear, I am not
> >>upset
> >> >>>by
> >> >>> Tina’s post; its a free country and if she wants to leave its her
> >> >>>right.
> >> >>> It’ll be a great loss to our nation; but its her right to live where
> >> >>>she
> >> >>> wishes, and her right to voice her opinions.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> As I said in my last reply to you, I am not going to stop what I am
> >> >>> doing.
> >> >>> I explained why quite clearly, and I stand by it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Chris Crawford
> >> >>> Fine Art Photography
> >> >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> >> >>> 260-437-8990
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> >> >>> Become a fan on Facebook
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 11/7/16, 10:03 PM, "LUG on behalf of Sonny Carter"
> >> >>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf
> >>of
> >> >>> sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> My comment was not about your art.  There are plenty places to
> >>voice
> >> >>>> your
> >> >>>> opinion, and the forum is one such place. Don't embarrass yourself.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> from my iPad
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Sonny Carter
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Christopher Crawford
> >> >>>>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I¹m not going to stop voicing my opinions.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> That is my job, I am an artist. We make people think and we
> >>sometimes
> >> >>>>> make
> >> >>>>> people uncomfortable.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris,
> >> >>
> >> >> If you want to make people think, how about some good pictures that
> >> >>make
> >> >> people think.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> steve
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>>> Those of us who work in the medium of photography
> >> >>>>> document life; we¹re historians, sociologists, psychologists,
> >> >>>>> anthropologists, and artists all wrapped into one.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Sometimes the real world is crazy, scary, dangerous, uncivilized,
> >>and
> >> >>>>> cruel. We cannot put our heads in the sand and refuse to confront
> >>our
> >> >>>>> world; to do so allows the triumph of evil.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>> Chris Crawford
> >> >>>>> Fine Art Photography
> >> >>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> >> >>>>> 260-437-8990
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> >> >>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 11/7/16, 8:48 PM, "LUG on behalf of Sonny Carter"
> >> >>>>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on
> >>behalf
> >> >>>>>of
> >> >>>>> sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I stood up for you when the subject of your images was under fire
> >> >>>>>> here.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> However, when you voice your own political opinion, I'll suggest
> >>you
> >> >>>>>> take
> >> >>>>>> it to the forum.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> from my iPad
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Sonny Carter
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 7:17 PM, Christopher Crawford
> >> >>>>>>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> This sign pretty much sums up my feelings about the 2016
> >> >>>>>>>Presidential
> >> >>>>>>> Election. Lock Both Up.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> This handmade sign was posted in the middle of West State
> >> >>>>>>>Boulevard
> >> >>>>>>> on
> >> >>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>> western edge of Fort Wayne, Indiana.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/chris-details.php?product=2535
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>> Chris Crawford
> >> >>>>>>> Fine Art Photography
> >> >>>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> >> >>>>>>> 260-437-8990
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> >> >>>>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
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