[Leica] M9 reliability question - from the Leica Website

Douglas Sharp douglas.sharp at gmx.de
Thu Jun 2 16:06:27 PDT 2016 

Very rare model indeed - the seller says it also has 
built-in flash and video!

Also "high ISO sensitivity (up to 2500)"  WOW!!

Cheers
Douglas



On 02.06.2016 22:25, Douglas Barry wrote:
> It's worth it just to get the free delivery, and wear 
> it on Faubourg Saint-Honore....
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe" 
> <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question - from 
> the Leica Website
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> This one is still active
> http://tinyurl.com/h87wxhz
> :-)
> Ph
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> Le 2 juin 2016 à 20:41, Nathan Wajsman 
> <photo at frozenlight.eu> a écrit :
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>> Indeed, it appears that 1.204 is not on Leica’s web 
>> site. Anyway, the listing of the M9 I was thinking 
>> of has disappeared from the Facebook Leica 
>> Classifieds group, so it is all moot anyway.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
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>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
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>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator 
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>>> On 02 Jun 2016, at 17:15, Jim Nichols 
>>> <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nathan,
>>>
>>> From what I have read, there is no crossover date.  
>>> Somewhere around January 2016 they started using 
>>> the improved sensor cover, but were also still 
>>> using some of the older covers.  It is implied, no, 
>>> I have not seen it written, that the factory made 
>>> the firmware update when they installed the newer 
>>> sensor system.
>>>
>>> John M. says in another post that 1.204 is not 
>>> available for download.  I have no way of knowing 
>>> about this point.
>>>
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>
>>> On 6/1/2016 11:54 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>>>> This is confusing, though. How can the firmware 
>>>> version indicate the sensor? What if I have an M9 
>>>> with the original sensor and just update the 
>>>> firmware myself?
>>>> It seems from Douglas post that it is safer to go 
>>>> by date of replacement.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu 
>>>> <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws 
>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: 
>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ 
>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
>>>> Cycling: 
>>>> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator 
>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
>>>> YNWA
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>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 23:30, Jim Nichols 
>>>>> <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Douglas,
>>>>>
>>>>> From the latest posting I could find, the best 
>>>>> clue is the Firmware number.  Apparently, if the 
>>>>> new corrosion-less sensor is installed, they 
>>>>> update the Firmware to 1.204. The previous 
>>>>> version, for the earlier sensor, is 1.202.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/1/2016 4:19 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote:
>>>>>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Update-CCD-Sensor 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Dated 31/08/2015:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    /"Update CCD Sensor of the Leica M9/M9-P/M
>>>>>>    Monochrom and M-E camera models/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> //
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /We are very pleased to inform you that we have 
>>>>>> successfully completed development on our new 
>>>>>> generation of CCD sensors and conducted 
>>>>>> subsequent quality assurance testing under 
>>>>>> practical conditions. As a result, Leica Camera 
>>>>>> AG can now begin replacing the sensors in the 
>>>>>> M9, M9-P and M-E models that were affected by 
>>>>>> corrosion with sensors from the new generation./
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Sensor replacement for M Monochrom models will 
>>>>>> also begin shortly. We will inform you of the 
>>>>>> precise date of this as soon as possible./
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /On this note, we would like to remind our 
>>>>>> customers that we can only offer replacements 
>>>>>> for CCD sensors for cameras affected by this 
>>>>>> particular problem; prophylactic replacement is 
>>>>>> not possible./
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /We thank you for your patience and for your 
>>>>>> loyalty to the Leica brand."/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, it doesn’t say exactly from when 
>>>>>> the "new generation" replacements are being 
>>>>>> installed. But it seems to indicate that any 
>>>>>> replacements made before 31 August 2015 must 
>>>>>> have been with older generation sensors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Douglas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01.06.2016 23:03, Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>>>>> Nathan & Douglas,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A search turned up this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/258531-m9-sensor/ 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/1/2016 3:53 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have no idea when the cutover date was. I am 
>>>>>>>> basing my statements on Peter Klein’s post.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu 
>>>>>>>> <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
>>>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: 
>>>>>>>> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws 
>>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: 
>>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ 
>>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
>>>>>>>> Cycling: 
>>>>>>>> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator 
>>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
>>>>>>>> YNWA
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>>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 22:43, Douglas Barry 
>>>>>>>>> <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nathan, I'll pick your brain if I might as a 
>>>>>>>>> Google search has failed to clarify this.
>>>>>>>>> I didn't realise the sensor replacement was 
>>>>>>>>> date critical. The private one near me here 
>>>>>>>>> in Ireland had its sensor replaced 6 months 
>>>>>>>>> ago by Leica. I presume that's ok? If so, I 
>>>>>>>>> just might make him an offer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Douglas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan 
>>>>>>>>> Wajsman" <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:22 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who have replied. So the story 
>>>>>>>>>> is not that simple—not only do I need to 
>>>>>>>>>> know whether the sensor has been replaced 
>>>>>>>>>> but also whether it has been replaced with 
>>>>>>>>>> the old one or the new one. I have asked the 
>>>>>>>>>> seller when the replacement got done.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And no, I do not want to deal with the 
>>>>>>>>>> hassle of sending a camera to Germany and 
>>>>>>>>>> then waiting for who knows how long. My 
>>>>>>>>>> previous experience sending my M8 for repair 
>>>>>>>>>> back in 2009 or 10 was not that great.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu 
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
>>>>>>>>>> http:// 
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: 
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws 
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: 
>>>>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ 
>>>>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Cycling: 
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator 
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
>>>>>>>>>> YNWA
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>>>>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 14:22, Frank Verizon 2 
>>>>>>>>>>> 2016 <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would buy the one that has not had the 
>>>>>>>>>>> sensor replaced, if I could determine the 
>>>>>>>>>>> replacement is required. Then I would send 
>>>>>>>>>>> it in for sensor replacement, getting the 
>>>>>>>>>>> complete camera checked out and adjusted 
>>>>>>>>>>> for free.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are those that would say buying a 
>>>>>>>>>>> non-current digicam is silly. You are 
>>>>>>>>>>> buying old technology. Not as good. My 
>>>>>>>>>>> argument is that if it does the job you 
>>>>>>>>>>> want, when you buy it, the age of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> technology is not relevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The M9 has proven itself to me to be 
>>>>>>>>>>> reliable and a great back end for Leica glass.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> $2500 is a bargain
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:05 AM, Nathan Wajsman 
>>>>>>>>>>> <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have always said that once the M9 prices 
>>>>>>>>>>> come down to a level that I am prepared to 
>>>>>>>>>>> pay, I will buy one. Well, in the past week 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen two for sale, for $2500 and 
>>>>>>>>>>> $2200, respectively. The one I saw this 
>>>>>>>>>>> morning has had the sensor replaced. Those 
>>>>>>>>>>> prices are within my range, but I now have 
>>>>>>>>>>> doubts about reliability. Clearly, buying 
>>>>>>>>>>> an M9 that has not had a sensor replacement 
>>>>>>>>>>> is out of the question; but in case one has 
>>>>>>>>>>> had it, is the new sensor reliable—or is it 
>>>>>>>>>>> just a matter of time before it starts 
>>>>>>>>>>> rotting just like the original one did? And 
>>>>>>>>>>> are there other reliability issues besides 
>>>>>>>>>>> the sensor? Digital Leicas have not had a 
>>>>>>>>>>> stellar record.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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