[Leica] M9 reliability question - from the Leica Website

Douglas Barry imra at iol.ie
Thu Jun 2 13:25:52 PDT 2016 

It's worth it just to get the free delivery, and wear it on Faubourg 
Saint-Honore....

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To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question - from the Leica Website


This one is still active
http://tinyurl.com/h87wxhz
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Ph


Le 2 juin 2016 à 20:41, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> a écrit :

> Indeed, it appears that 1.204 is not on Leica’s web site. Anyway, the 
> listing of the M9 I was thinking of has disappeared from the Facebook 
> Leica Classifieds group, so it is all moot anyway.
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>> On 02 Jun 2016, at 17:15, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
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>> Nathan,
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>> From what I have read, there is no crossover date.  Somewhere around 
>> January 2016 they started using the improved sensor cover, but were also 
>> still using some of the older covers.  It is implied, no, I have not seen 
>> it written, that the factory made the firmware update when they installed 
>> the newer sensor system.
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>> John M. says in another post that 1.204 is not available for download.  I 
>> have no way of knowing about this point.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
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>> On 6/1/2016 11:54 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>>> This is confusing, though. How can the firmware version indicate the 
>>> sensor? What if I have an M9 with the original sensor and just update 
>>> the firmware myself?
>>> It seems from Douglas post that it is safer to go by date of 
>>> replacement.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws 
>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ 
>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator 
>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
>>> YNWA
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>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 23:30, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Douglas,
>>>>
>>>> From the latest posting I could find, the best clue is the Firmware 
>>>> number.  Apparently, if the new corrosion-less sensor is installed, 
>>>> they update the Firmware to 1.204.  The previous version, for the 
>>>> earlier sensor, is 1.202.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>
>>>> On 6/1/2016 4:19 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote:
>>>>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Update-CCD-Sensor
>>>>>
>>>>> *Dated 31/08/2015:*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    /"Update CCD Sensor of the Leica M9/M9-P/M
>>>>>    Monochrom and M-E camera models/
>>>>>
>>>>> //
>>>>>
>>>>> /We are very pleased to inform you that we have successfully completed 
>>>>> development on our new generation of CCD sensors and conducted 
>>>>> subsequent quality assurance testing under practical conditions. As a 
>>>>> result, Leica Camera AG can now begin replacing the sensors in the M9, 
>>>>> M9-P and M-E models that were affected by corrosion with sensors from 
>>>>> the new generation./
>>>>>
>>>>> /Sensor replacement for M Monochrom models will also begin shortly. We 
>>>>> will inform you of the precise date of this as soon as possible./
>>>>>
>>>>> /On this note, we would like to remind our customers that we can only 
>>>>> offer replacements for CCD sensors for cameras affected by this 
>>>>> particular problem; prophylactic replacement is not possible./
>>>>>
>>>>> /We thank you for your patience and for your loyalty to the Leica 
>>>>> brand."/
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, it doesn’t say exactly from when the "new generation" 
>>>>> replacements are being installed. But it seems to indicate that any 
>>>>> replacements made before 31 August 2015 must have been with older 
>>>>> generation sensors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Douglas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01.06.2016 23:03, Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>>>> Nathan & Douglas,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A search turned up this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/258531-m9-sensor/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/1/2016 3:53 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>>>>>>> I have no idea when the cutover date was. I am basing my statements 
>>>>>>> on Peter Klein’s post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
>>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws 
>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: 
>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ 
>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator 
>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
>>>>>>> YNWA
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>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 22:43, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nathan, I'll pick your brain if I might as a Google search has 
>>>>>>>> failed to clarify this.
>>>>>>>> I didn't realise the sensor replacement was date critical. The 
>>>>>>>> private one near me here in Ireland had its sensor replaced 6 
>>>>>>>> months ago by Leica. I presume that's ok? If so, I just might make 
>>>>>>>> him an offer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Douglas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" 
>>>>>>>> <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:22 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who have replied. So the story is not that 
>>>>>>>>> simple—not only do I need to know whether the sensor has been 
>>>>>>>>> replaced but also whether it has been replaced with the old one or 
>>>>>>>>> the new one. I have asked the seller when the replacement got 
>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And no, I do not want to deal with the hassle of sending a camera 
>>>>>>>>> to Germany and then waiting for who knows how long. My previous 
>>>>>>>>> experience sending my M8 for repair back in 2009 or 10 was not 
>>>>>>>>> that great.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
>>>>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws 
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: 
>>>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ 
>>>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator 
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
>>>>>>>>> YNWA
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>>>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 14:22, Frank Verizon 2 2016 
>>>>>>>>>> <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would buy the one that has not had the sensor replaced, if I 
>>>>>>>>>> could determine the replacement is required. Then I would send it 
>>>>>>>>>> in for sensor replacement, getting the complete camera checked 
>>>>>>>>>> out and adjusted for free.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are those that would say buying a non-current digicam is 
>>>>>>>>>> silly. You are buying old technology. Not as good. My argument is 
>>>>>>>>>> that if it does the job you want, when you buy it, the age of the 
>>>>>>>>>> technology is not relevant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The M9 has proven itself to me to be reliable and a great back 
>>>>>>>>>> end for Leica glass.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> $2500 is a bargain
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:05 AM, Nathan Wajsman 
>>>>>>>>>> <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have always said that once the M9 prices come down to a level 
>>>>>>>>>> that I am prepared to pay, I will buy one. Well, in the past week 
>>>>>>>>>> I have seen two for sale, for $2500 and $2200, respectively. The 
>>>>>>>>>> one I saw this morning has had the sensor replaced. Those prices 
>>>>>>>>>> are within my range, but I now have doubts about reliability. 
>>>>>>>>>> Clearly, buying an M9 that has not had a sensor replacement is 
>>>>>>>>>> out of the question; but in case one has had it, is the new 
>>>>>>>>>> sensor reliable—or is it just a matter of time before it starts 
>>>>>>>>>> rotting just like the original one did? And are there other 
>>>>>>>>>> reliability issues besides the sensor? Digital Leicas have not 
>>>>>>>>>> had a stellar record.
>>>>>>>>>>
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