[Leica] New Monochrome results
Bob Adler
rgacpa at gmail.com
Sun May 24 22:26:26 PDT 2015
Indeed. Nice having a very quiet shutter and no mirror flap (D4?) was very helpful... ;-)
Bob Adler
Robert Adler Photography
www.robertadlerphotography.com
> On May 24, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is a wonderful and evocative photograph, but it is a relatively static
> subject in very low light, conditions made to order for the Nocti. Horses
> for courses, as always!
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Susan Ryan <skalte at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> Now that is a beautiful image.
>>
>> Sue
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 24, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't logically argue with you Jayanand. But I have a Fuji and
>> switching
>>> between the Fuji and the M is really difficult for me. With the M I point
>>> and shoot, basically. After using Ms for over 20 years, I don't think
>> about
>>> what I'm doing: I just look and point.
>>> With the Fuji, it's just difficult! And since I have all this expensive
>>> stuff, I need to use it. I love using it!! Though I miss some shots and
>>> some may not be perfectly focused, when I hit it I love it:
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rgacpa_HI/Bedtime+Story-2015-04-25.jpg.html
>>>
>>> So I can't answer your question other then I just adore shooting my
>> Leica!
>>> So it goes... :-)
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob,
>>>> Why shoot moving grandkids with this stuff, it seems to be overkill.
>> Just
>>>> get a Fuji x100 or a Panasonic LX100 or something equivalent for that
>>>> purpose!
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Jayanand
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>> The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the
>>>> mechanical
>>>>> shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter
>>>>> release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires
>>>>> (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it
>> doubles
>>>>> the shutter actuations
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's my working theories:
>>>>> 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the
>>>>> primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being
>> the
>>>>> noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter
>>>> kick).
>>>>> The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its
>>>>> accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on
>>>>>
>>>>> HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight
>>>>> movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1
>>>> and
>>>>> f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and
>> forth
>>>>> while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving
>>>>> grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of
>>>> focusing
>>>>> with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really
>>>> helps
>>>>> because of its tiny lag.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with
>> my
>>>>> larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and
>> sometimes
>>>>> live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where
>> I
>>>>> can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger
>>>> system,
>>>>> I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen
>>>> jpeg.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does that make sense?
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a Leica-rookie question. I have seen numerous posts about
>>>> users
>>>>>> sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back
>> and
>>>>>> front focus issues. Is this what live view is intended to avoid? I
>>>> know
>>>>>> even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with
>>>>>> in-camera software. If there is not an issue with matching bodies and
>>>>>> lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica
>>>> long
>>>>>> ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a
>>>>> focus
>>>>>> error though I succeeded at times). Thx for some enlightenment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240.
>>>> Completely
>>>>>>> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape
>>>> images
>>>>>>> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check
>>>>> focus
>>>>>>> for landscape work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2
>>>>> sec
>>>>>>> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after
>>>>> focusing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R lenses which it may
>>>>>>> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read.
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Bob-The -Grump
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob Adler
>>>>>>> Robert Adler Photography
>>>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser <
>>>>>>>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;"
>>>>>>>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a note off the iPad, George
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr <
>>>> wildlightphoto at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The significant upgrade is live view.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doug Herr
>>>>>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>>>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>>>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users Group <
>>>>>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the
>> $$...
>>>>>>>>>> Better
>>>>>>>>>> value with the MM-I
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
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