[Leica] New Monochrome results

Sun May 24 22:12:09 PDT 2015

It is a wonderful and evocative photograph, but it is a relatively static
subject in very low light, conditions made to order for the Nocti. Horses
for courses, as always!
Cheers
Jayanand

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Susan Ryan <skalte at icloud.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Now that is a beautiful image.
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 24, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can't logically argue with you Jayanand. But I have a Fuji and
> switching
> > between the Fuji and the M is really difficult for me. With the M I point
> > and shoot, basically. After using Ms for over 20 years, I don't think
> about
> > what I'm doing: I just look and point.
> > With the Fuji, it's just difficult! And since I have all this expensive
> > stuff, I need to use it. I love using it!! Though I miss some shots and
> > some may not be perfectly focused, when I hit it I love it:
> >
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rgacpa_HI/Bedtime+Story-2015-04-25.jpg.html
> >
> > So I can't answer your question other then I just adore shooting my
> Leica!
> > So it goes... :-)
> >
> > On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Bob,
> >> Why shoot moving grandkids with this stuff, it seems to be overkill.
> Just
> >> get a Fuji x100 or a Panasonic LX100 or something equivalent for that
> >> purpose!
> >> Cheers
> >> Jayanand
> >>
> >>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Ken,
> >>>
> >>> The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the
> >> mechanical
> >>> shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter
> >>> release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires
> >>> (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it
> doubles
> >>> the shutter actuations
> >>>
> >>> Here's my working theories:
> >>> 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the
> >>> primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being
> the
> >>> noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter
> >> kick).
> >>> The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its
> >>> accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on
> >>>
> >>> HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight
> >>> movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1
> >> and
> >>> f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and
> forth
> >>> while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving
> >>> grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of
> >> focusing
> >>> with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really
> >> helps
> >>> because of its tiny lag.
> >>>
> >>> 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with
> my
> >>> larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and
> sometimes
> >>> live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where
> I
> >>> can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger
> >> system,
> >>> I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen
> >> jpeg.
> >>>
> >>> Does that make sense?
> >>> Bob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob,
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is a Leica-rookie question.  I have seen numerous posts about
> >> users
> >>>> sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back
> and
> >>>> front focus issues.  Is this what live view is intended to avoid?  I
> >> know
> >>>> even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with
> >>>> in-camera software.  If there is not an issue with matching bodies and
> >>>> lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica
> >> long
> >>>> ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a
> >>> focus
> >>>> error though I succeeded at times).  Thx for some enlightenment.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240.
> >> Completely
> >>>>> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape
> >> images
> >>>>> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check
> >>> focus
> >>>>> for landscape work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2
> >>> sec
> >>>>> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after
> >>> focusing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R  lenses which it may
> >>>>> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read.
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> Bob-The -Grump
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bob Adler
> >>>>> Robert Adler Photography
> >>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser <
> >>>>>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;"
> >>>>>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> a note off the iPad, George
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr <
> >> wildlightphoto at earthlink.net>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The significant upgrade is live view.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Doug Herr
> >>>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
> >>>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
> >>>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users Group <
> >>>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the
> $$...
> >>>>>>>> Better
> >>>>>>>> value with the MM-I
> >>>>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/
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