[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Photo show dissent

[Bob Adler]

You prove, in your response, both my statements to be true!
Thank you Chris. :'-D

Bob Adler
Robert Adler Photography
www.robertadlerphotography.com

> On Mar 22, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob, I stated a fact. His view is bigoted and it is historically
> unsupported. Sorry you’re too ‘moronic’ (talk about vile name calling!) to
> understand that.
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>> On 3/22/15, 9:05 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think you will ever convince anyone, Chris, by starting a debate
>> with vile name calling. This is a lesson that you seem too moronic to
>> learn. 
>> Bob
>> 
>> Bob Adler
>> Robert Adler Photography
>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
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>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Chris Crawford
>>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Larry, that¹s a bigoted and historically unsupportable view.
>>> Photographers
>>> have combined images to make totally conceptual scenes since the 19th
>>> century, most famously by Jerry Uelsmann starting in the 1960s and
>>> continuing to the present day. Ansel Adams famously stated that the
>>> negative was like a musical score, a starting point that the artist uses
>>> to produce the final performance (the print).
>>> 
>>> Art and photography are most certainly NOT two different media.
>>> Photography is an art media, one of many, including painting, sculpture,
>>> ceramics, drawing, and graphic printmaking (eg. Etching, lithography).
>>> There is a lot of overlap, these are not absolutely separate art forms.
>>> The painter, sculptor and printmaker incorporate drawing into their
>>> work.
>>> The printmaker can transfer photos to the etching plate. Photographers
>>> can
>>> paint and draw on the photo, or manipulate it on the computer, and
>>> computer graphics can be purely drawing without using photos.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Chris Crawford
>>> Fine Art Photography
>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
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>>> 
>>>> On 3/22/15, 4:39 PM, "Larry Zeitlin via LUG" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   I just came back from the Westchester Photo Show where four of my
>>>> older
>>>> photographs were hung. They stood out like sore thumbs. Not because
>>>> they
>>>> were inferior but because they were different. All of mine were street
>>>> photos or pseudo street photos, slices of life taken in my usual
>>>> adventitious manner. Several were in my LUG gallery and were taken on
>>>> film. I'd be the first to admit that they are not great pictures but
>>>> they
>>>> were a sample of my photographic endeavors.
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Cook.jpeg.html
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Coppersmith.jpg.html
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/The+valve+room.jpg.html
>>>>   Most of the other pictures exhibited were carefully posed, highly
>>>> processed images which tried to emulate fine art. I've always believed,
>>>> as have most Luggers, that art and photography are two different media,
>>>> each with its advantages and disadvantages. An artist can take time to
>>>> pose the subject appropriately, choose colors, and accentuate what he
>>>> or
>>>> she chooses. It is a contemplative and imaginative medium. Photography,
>>>> on the other hand, is ideal for catching slices of life which may
>>>> vanish
>>>> in a fraction of a second.?It is a realistic and immediate medium.
>>>>   What was most interesting is that several exhibiting photographers
>>>> maintained that the original image was not the end in itself but merely
>>>> the starting point for intensive manipulation in Photoshop. Indeed,
>>>> some
>>>> of the pictures were so significantly altered that they bore little
>>>> resemblence to the actual scene. Colors were changed, portions of the
>>>> image were accentuated or eliminated. The worst case, in my opinion,
>>>> was
>>>> a photograph which combined several individual photos in one displayed
>>>> image. Just like the Russian Mayday podium pictures.
>>>>   I'm coming to believe that exhibited photos should bear a warning
>>>> label,
>>>> like foodstuffs, noting if any artificial ingredients were used in the
>>>> presentation.
>>>>   Larry Z
>>>> 
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