[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Photo show dissent

[Chris Crawford]

Bob, I stated a fact. His view is bigoted and it is historically
unsupported. Sorry you’re too ‘moronic’ (talk about vile name calling!) to
understand that.

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On 3/22/15, 9:05 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:

>I don't think you will ever convince anyone, Chris, by starting a debate
>with vile name calling. This is a lesson that you seem too moronic to
>learn. 
>Bob
>
>Bob Adler
>Robert Adler Photography
>www.robertadlerphotography.com
>
>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Chris Crawford
>><chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Larry, that¹s a bigoted and historically unsupportable view.
>>Photographers
>> have combined images to make totally conceptual scenes since the 19th
>> century, most famously by Jerry Uelsmann starting in the 1960s and
>> continuing to the present day. Ansel Adams famously stated that the
>> negative was like a musical score, a starting point that the artist uses
>> to produce the final performance (the print).
>> 
>> Art and photography are most certainly NOT two different media.
>> Photography is an art media, one of many, including painting, sculpture,
>> ceramics, drawing, and graphic printmaking (eg. Etching, lithography).
>> There is a lot of overlap, these are not absolutely separate art forms.
>> The painter, sculptor and printmaker incorporate drawing into their
>>work.
>> The printmaker can transfer photos to the etching plate. Photographers
>>can
>> paint and draw on the photo, or manipulate it on the computer, and
>> computer graphics can be purely drawing without using photos.
>> 
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>> Fine Art Photography
>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>> 260-437-8990
>> 
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>> 
>>> On 3/22/15, 4:39 PM, "Larry Zeitlin via LUG" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>wrote:
>>> 
>>>    I just came back from the Westchester Photo Show where four of my
>>>older
>>> photographs were hung. They stood out like sore thumbs. Not because
>>>they
>>> were inferior but because they were different. All of mine were street
>>> photos or pseudo street photos, slices of life taken in my usual
>>> adventitious manner. Several were in my LUG gallery and were taken on
>>> film. I'd be the first to admit that they are not great pictures but
>>>they
>>> were a sample of my photographic endeavors.
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Cook.jpeg.html
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Coppersmith.jpg.html
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/The+valve+room.jpg.html
>>>    Most of the other pictures exhibited were carefully posed, highly
>>> processed images which tried to emulate fine art. I've always believed,
>>> as have most Luggers, that art and photography are two different media,
>>> each with its advantages and disadvantages. An artist can take time to
>>> pose the subject appropriately, choose colors, and accentuate what he
>>>or
>>> she chooses. It is a contemplative and imaginative medium. Photography,
>>> on the other hand, is ideal for catching slices of life which may
>>>vanish
>>> in a fraction of a second.?It is a realistic and immediate medium.
>>>    What was most interesting is that several exhibiting photographers
>>> maintained that the original image was not the end in itself but merely
>>> the starting point for intensive manipulation in Photoshop. Indeed,
>>>some
>>> of the pictures were so significantly altered that they bore little
>>> resemblence to the actual scene. Colors were changed, portions of the
>>> image were accentuated or eliminated. The worst case, in my opinion,
>>>was
>>> a photograph which combined several individual photos in one displayed
>>> image. Just like the Russian Mayday podium pictures.
>>>    I'm coming to believe that exhibited photos should bear a warning
>>>label,
>>> like foodstuffs, noting if any artificial ingredients were used in the
>>> presentation.
>>>    Larry Z
>>> 
>>> 
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